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Kreider or Zucker

Created by: oilnate
Initial Creation Date: Nov 17, 2019
Published: Nov 17, 2019 at 3:05 pm
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Team Explanation
Could have an extension for Kreider, just how far off in value is this?
Trades
EDM
  1. Zucker, Jason
MIN
    JP and a second round pick 2020
    EDM
    1. Kreider, Chris
    NYR
      JP and a second round pick
      Buyouts
      • Andrej Sekera: $2,500,000
      • Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
      • Eric Gryba: $300,000
      Retained Salary Transactions
      • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2020
      EDM
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      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      2021
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      PIT
      EDM
      2022
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      EDM
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
      29$81,500,000$92,601,999$0$2,477,500-$11,101,999
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
      EDM
      Nygård, Joakim
      $925,000
      LW
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      McDavid, Connor
      $12,500,000
      C
      UFA - 7
      EDM
      Neal, James
      $5,750,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 4
      EDM
      Sheahan, Riley
      $900,000
      LW, C
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Draisaitl, Leon
      $8,500,000
      C, LW, RW
      UFA - 6
      EDM
      Chiasson, Alex
      $2,150,000
      RW
      UFA - 2
      MIN
      Zucker, Jason
      $5,500,000
      LW, RW
      NTC
      UFA - 4
      EDM
      Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
      $6,000,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 2
      EDM
      Kassian, Zack
      $1,950,000
      RW
      UFA - 1
      NYR
      Kreider, Chris
      $4,625,000
      LW
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Gagner, Sam
      $3,150,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Granlund, Markus
      $1,300,000
      RW, LW, C
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Khaira, Jujhar
      $1,200,000
      C, LW
      RFA - 2
      EDM
      Archibald, Josh
      $1,000,000
      RW
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Brodziak, Kyle
      $1,150,000
      C
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Russell, Patrick
      $700,000
      RW
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Haas, Gaëtan
      $925,000
      C
      UFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      EDM
      Klefbom, Oscar
      $4,167,000
      LD
      UFA - 4
      EDM
      Larsson, Adam
      $4,166,666
      RD
      UFA - 2
      EDM
      Koskinen, Mikko
      $4,500,000
      G
      NTC
      UFA - 3
      EDM
      Nurse, Darnell
      $3,200,000
      LD
      RFA - 1
      EDM
      Russell, Kris
      $4,000,000
      RD
      NMC NTC
      UFA - 2
      EDM
      Smith, Mike
      $2,000,000
      G
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Manning, Brandon
      $2,250,000
      LD
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Benning, Matthew
      $1,900,000
      RD
      RFA - 1
      EDM
      Jones, Caleb
      $720,000
      LD
      RFA - 1
      EDM
      Persson, Joel
      $1,000,000
      RD
      RFA - 1
      EDM
      Mantha, Ryan
      $870,000
      RD
      RFA - 1
      EDM
      Bear, Ethan
      $720,000
      RD
      RFA - 1

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      Nov 17, 2019 at 3:06
      #1
      Leafs Suck
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      Puljujarvi and a 1st
      Nov 17, 2019 at 3:07
      #2
      Who adds what?
      Joined: Jul 2017
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      Edited Nov 17, 2019 at 3:12
      Get both, but you're over the cap, so buy low on Panik if he keeps slumping, and call it good.
      Nov 17, 2019 at 3:16
      #3
      CGY
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      When Zucker was almost traded to calgary it was before his NTC kicked in. I believe it was reported that all Canadian teams are on his list so I believe the ball is in his court

      Kreider will be in high demand, he would go for a 1st and JP I think
      Nov 17, 2019 at 3:36
      #4
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      I think it's pretty fair value. A rental Kreider isn't worth a 1st+
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      Nov 17, 2019 at 3:37
      #5
      Thread Starter
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      Quoting: Braah
      Puljujarvi and a 1st


      For both?
      Nov 17, 2019 at 3:37
      #6
      Thread Starter
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      Quoting: ItWasIn
      When Zucker was almost traded to calgary it was before his NTC kicked in. I believe it was reported that all Canadian teams are on his list so I believe the ball is in his court

      Kreider will be in high demand, he would go for a 1st and JP I think


      With an extension?
      Nov 17, 2019 at 4:03
      #7
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      Quoting: oilnate
      With an extension?


      about 1% of trades comes with an extension, so that's unbelievable. maby Zucker can fetch Puljujärvi and a 1 if he continue to produce cuz he got some term at god cost, but not Kreider. Puljujärvi and a 3rounder for Kreider would be fair, maybe even a 4th. hard to believe he extends there
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      Nov 17, 2019 at 4:25
      #8
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      Probably prefer Zucker just because I could see regression in Krieder player type (power forward). But honestly, the Oilers need a guy like Elias Lindholm. Gritty, RH and can play C or W.
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      Nov 17, 2019 at 4:27
      #9
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      Quoting: ConnorsCousin
      Probably prefer Zucker just because I could see regression in Krieder player type (power forward). But honestly, the Oilers need a guy like Elias Lindholm. Gritty, RH and can play C or W.


      Any suggestions on players you'd like to see them pursue? Myself i like the idea of JP to Carolina for Gauthier and a third
      Nov 17, 2019 at 4:29
      #10
      GreggoryMcKeggory
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      Kreider with an extension for Pulju and a 1st...
      Nov 17, 2019 at 4:39
      #11
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      Quoting: oilnate
      Any suggestions on players you'd like to see them pursue? Myself i like the idea of JP to Carolina for Gauthier and a third


      I think if we do decide to trade JP, it should be as part of a bigger package. Like what can we get for JP and our 2nd round pick? Hopefully a young top 6 forward with term right? I wish we could find a deal like Colorado did for Burakovsky. Traded futures for immediate help that can be part of the plan moving forward.

      But with no relation to JP, some of the guys I'd like to see us go after are:

      Toffoli
      Pageau
      Ryan Strome (yes, I know)

      If you notice, you'd see they're all right handed and I think Pageau and Strome both play C and W. Strome is an RFA after this year which is good for contractual purposes and he was well liked in the room. The way Pageau is playing, he's probably out-pricing himself out of Edmonton unless Ottawa wants JP and a 2nd and he'd still have to agree to a reasonable contract. So I think Strome and a 3rd/2nd for JP alone is fair but that might be skewed with the way he's playing

      I've always said the Oilers are a top 6 forward and a 3rd line centre away from contention.

      Draisaitl - McDavid - Kassian
      ???? - Nuge - Neal
      Nygard or Granlund - ???? - Chiasson or Haas
      Khaira - Sheahan - Archibald

      Klefbom - Larsson
      Nurse - Bear
      Russell - Benning

      I think when everyone's healthy, they're all slotted in places where they should succeed. Insert a couple impact forwards and you might have something.
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      Nov 17, 2019 at 4:39
      #12
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      imho if i am in the oilers shoes i wouldn't want to trade puju for a player they might loose at the end of the year to ufa. unless kreider is being traded with an extension idk if the trade makes sense.
      Nov 17, 2019 at 5:02
      #13
      Thread Starter
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      Quoting: ConnorsCousin
      I think if we do decide to trade JP, it should be as part of a bigger package. Like what can we get for JP and our 2nd round pick? Hopefully a young top 6 forward with term right? I wish we could find a deal like Colorado did for Burakovsky. Traded futures for immediate help that can be part of the plan moving forward.

      But with no relation to JP, some of the guys I'd like to see us go after are:

      Toffoli
      Pageau
      Ryan Strome (yes, I know)

      If you notice, you'd see they're all right handed and I think Pageau and Strome both play C and W. Strome is an RFA after this year which is good for contractual purposes and he was well liked in the room. The way Pageau is playing, he's probably out-pricing himself out of Edmonton unless Ottawa wants JP and a 2nd and he'd still have to agree to a reasonable contract. So I think Strome and a 3rd/2nd for JP alone is fair but that might be skewed with the way he's playing

      I've always said the Oilers are a top 6 forward and a 3rd line centre away from contention.

      Draisaitl - McDavid - Kassian
      ???? - Nuge - Neal
      Nygard or Granlund - ???? - Chiasson or Haas
      Khaira - Sheahan - Archibald

      Klefbom - Larsson
      Nurse - Bear
      Russell - Benning

      I think when everyone's healthy, they're all slotted in places where they should succeed. Insert a couple impact forwards and you might have something.


      I never liked Strome, actuallly scratch that, i never liked the trade. I liked that he filled his role and I agree he makes a lot of sense in Edmonton. Not sure if Rangers would give up a pick as well for JP as Strome has played well and might be out of our asset range. I agree Pageau may be to expensive, and I don't know if Toffoli makes sense unless it's a pick and a different prospect
      Nov 17, 2019 at 5:04
      #14
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      Quoting: oilnate
      I never liked Strome, actuallly scratch that, i never liked the trade. I liked that he filled his role and I agree he makes a lot of sense in Edmonton. Not sure if Rangers would give up a pick as well for JP as Strome has played well and might be out of our asset range. I agree Pageau may be to expensive, and I don't know if Toffoli makes sense unless it's a pick and a different prospect


      Trochek out of Florida is also another guy I'd trade JP ++ for. Depending on what ++ is though. For Pageau, I'd be willing to trade Marody or JP ++ depending which prospect Ottawa likes more. I'm not a huge Marody fan, his skating is an issue to me and unless he gets an Ethan Bear offseason, I think he's going to be a Gagner type player.
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      Nov 17, 2019 at 5:20
      #15
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      Quoting: ConnorsCousin
      Trochek out of Florida is also another guy I'd trade JP ++ for. Depending on what ++ is though. For Pageau, I'd be willing to trade Marody or JP ++ depending which prospect Ottawa likes more. I'm not a huge Marody fan, his skating is an issue to me and unless he gets an Ethan Bear offseason, I think he's going to be a Gagner type player.


      Might be a little more defensive though then Gagner but yea. doubt Florida moves Trochek though
       
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