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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 17, 2019

Published: Nov. 17, 2019

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Leafs fans, don't get me wrong. I am a huge fan of Mitch Marner. However, if the team does not make a coaching change, then I believe what they must do is to trade Mitch Marner.

It's quite obvious at this point that he's a locker room cancer. After what happened during the summer with his father and agent demanding for offer sheets and huge salary. Now, all the fans hate him. He's not liked by his teammates or coaching staff. He's the number one scapegoat on this team and it's pulling them apart. I think the situation with Marner is even worse than the Phil Kessel drama when he was still with the team.

Now, onto the trade. Mitch Marner is a great player and when he plays at his best, he is a top 10 right winger in my opinion. However, I don't think he is worth as much as what other people on this site have been looking at. Mitch Marner is not going to fetch you back a top forward like Tyler Seguin, Taylor Hall or Johnny Gaudreau. He's not going to get you a top defenseman like Colton Parayko, Matt Dumba, Josh Manson or Brett Pesce. A large part of that is because of his contract. The trade below is what I think Mitch Marner is worth at most.

Trades

TOR

Galchenyuk, Alex
Schultz, Justin
2020 1st round pick (PIT)

Additional Details:

Galchenyuk resigns at 2 years 5.5 million AAV.
Schultz resigns at 2 years 6 million AAV.

PIT

Marner, Mitchell

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Buried

Cody Ceci: $3,425,000 ($4,500,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$80,459,699	$0	$0	$1,040,301

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 6	Galchenyuk, Alex $4,900,000$4,900,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 1
Johnsson, Andreas $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Matthews, Auston $11,634,000$11,634,000 C UFA - 5	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 5
Mikheyev, Ilya $925,000$925,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 4	Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 3
Gauthier, Frédérik $675,000$675,000 C UFA - 1	Shore, Nick $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1	Moore, Trevor $775,000$775,000 LW, RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 3	Barrie, Tyson $2,750,000$2,750,000 RD UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD UFA - 1	Schultz, Justin $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Kaskisuo, Kasimir $675,000$675,000 G UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis $863,333$863,333 LD/RD UFA - 1	Holl, Justin $675,000$675,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Marincin, Martin $700,000$700,000 LD UFA - 1		Horton, Nathan $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW NTC UFA - 1		Clarkson, David $5,250,000$5,250,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1

Nov. 17, 2019 at 4:30 p.m.

oilnate

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So what makes him a cancer?

Nov. 17, 2019 at 4:31 p.m.

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Quoting: oilnate

So what makes him a cancer?

His dad.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 4:50 p.m.

eatfreshrefresh

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I think Tavares is the cancer. he just loses everywhere he goes

Nov. 17, 2019 at 4:51 p.m.

justaBoss

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So Marner, likely a TOP10 RW in the world, is worth two pending UFAs and a low first.

I disagree with this, but you're free to think whatever you like.

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Nov. 17, 2019 at 4:52 p.m.

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You do know if you trade for Marner, his dad goes with him? As a Pens fan yourself, I'd bet you want Marner on your team regardless the baggage.

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Nov. 17, 2019 at 4:58 p.m.

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Quoting: BurgerBoss

So Marner, likely a TOP10 RW in the world, is worth two pending UFAs and a low first.

I disagree with this, but you're free to think whatever you like.

Both pending UFAs get extended before the trade. Marner is not going to fetch a top top player in return, it's just not realistic. Hey @BeastModeUnknown, what'd you think of this trade?

Nov. 17, 2019 at 4:59 p.m.

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Another silly trade where players are extended, from a playoff bound teams before they are traded. Doesn't happen.

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Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:00 p.m.

justaBoss

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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan

Both pending UFAs get extended before the trade. Marner is not going to fetch a top top player in return, it's just not realistic. Hey @BeastModeUnknown, what'd you think of this trade?

Marner isn't going to be traded. Knowing the guy's potential, it would be completely asinine to move him now when his value is not at the fullest...

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Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:01 p.m.

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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan

His dad.

I've had cancer. Paul isn't that bad. He's absolutely ridiculous and maybe has some toxic tendencies, but I doubt we hear much from him going forward after how he got roasted this past summer. He's not a problem anymore. At least for another 6 yrs.

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Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:05 p.m.

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Quoting: linehan10

I think Tavares is the cancer. he just loses everywhere he goes

At the very least he made Marner a 90 point player.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:05 p.m.

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Quoting: BurgerBoss

Marner isn't going to be traded. Knowing the guy's potential, it would be completely asinine to move him now when his value is not at the fullest...

Expect Kyle Dubas to move him to try and spark the team.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:13 p.m.

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Marner is honestly worth more than spending FAs but again not worth an arm and a leg.

Quoting: MikeyThePensFan

Both pending UFAs get extended before the trade. Marner is not going to fetch a top top player in return, it's just not realistic. Hey @BeastModeUnknown, what'd you think of this trade?

Quoting: BurgerBoss

So Marner, likely a TOP10 RW in the world, is worth two pending UFAs and a low first.

I disagree with this, but you're free to think whatever you like.

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Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:14 p.m.

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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan

Expect Kyle Dubas to move him to try and spark the team.

I seriously doubt Dubas would trade him after that sh*tstorm he had to go through with the negotiations with him and his representatives.

Without getting the maximum value out of Marner, trading him would be the single stupidest thing he could possibly do at the moment...

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Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:14 p.m.

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Quoting: BurgerBoss

Marner isn't going to be traded. Knowing the guy's potential, it would be completely asinine to move him now when his value is not at the fullest...

Quoting: MikeyThePensFan

At the very least he made Marner a 90 point player.

Marner having 90 points is a naive perception. Shooting the puck down the rink and hoping someone can shoot and score count as an assist shouldn’t make him have 90 points dude is heavily carried. And heavily overrated if he doesn’t have Tavares he wouldn’t be as good.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:18 p.m.

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Quoting: ConnorsCousin

You do know if you trade for Marner, his dad goes with him? As a Pens fan yourself, I'd bet you want Marner on your team regardless the baggage.

But the Leafs are not just getting Galchenyuk in return but also his dad who was notorious in Montreal.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:19 p.m.

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Terrible trade for Leafs and not a chance that the Leafs trade Marner.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:24 p.m.

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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan

His dad.

Doesn't make Mitchell the problem

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:36 p.m.

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Quoting: oilnate

Doesn't make Mitchell the problem

Mitch is the number one scapegoat in Toronto.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:42 p.m.

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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown

Marner is honestly worth more than spending FAs but again not worth an arm and a leg.

Quoting: BeastModeUnknown

Honestly, I think you have some sort of hate towards Mitch Marner because that's not true at all. He doesn't just shoot the puck to random areas and waits for his teammates to fetch him points. Marner is actually pretty involved in the play, he's usually carrying the puck, protecting it away from opponents and generating space to make a play. That's what he does. He's not as good as most people think, but he's not that bad either.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:43 p.m.

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Quoting: TMLSage

Terrible trade for Leafs and not a chance that the Leafs trade Marner.

Why is it a bad trade? What would be a fair offer for Marner?

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:43 p.m.

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Quoting: Templar87

But the Leafs are not just getting Galchenyuk in return but also his dad who was notorious in Montreal.

I think their talent levels are the same TBH.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:56 p.m.

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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan

Mitch is the number one scapegoat in Toronto.

Ceci is. But even if he is the scapegoat that doesn't mean that he's a cancer or that it is his fault

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:58 p.m.

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Quoting: blowing_the_zone

I hope you are well. However, most Leaf fans want Marner gone since they believe he is overpaid plus Nylander is far better than him. Send him to PIT.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 5:58 p.m.

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Quoting: oilnate

Ceci is. But even if he is the scapegoat that doesn't mean that he's a cancer or that it is his fault

If Marner signed for 8 million dollars a year on the maximum term, then the Leaf fans wouldn't hate him as much.

Nov. 17, 2019 at 6:09 p.m.

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Quoting: BurgerBoss

Dubas is getting desperate at this point. If he isn't going to fire Babcock, then he has to explore trading Marner. Also, after overpaying him by roughly 1.5-2 million in the offseason, he lost the chance to get full value for his player in a trade.

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