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Trade Marner

Created by: MikeyThePensFan
Initial Creation Date: Nov 17, 2019
Published: Nov 17 at 4:26 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Leafs fans, don't get me wrong. I am a huge fan of Mitch Marner. However, if the team does not make a coaching change, then I believe what they must do is to trade Mitch Marner.

It's quite obvious at this point that he's a locker room cancer. After what happened during the summer with his father and agent demanding for offer sheets and huge salary. Now, all the fans hate him. He's not liked by his teammates or coaching staff. He's the number one scapegoat on this team and it's pulling them apart. I think the situation with Marner is even worse than the Phil Kessel drama when he was still with the team.

Now, onto the trade. Mitch Marner is a great player and when he plays at his best, he is a top 10 right winger in my opinion. However, I don't think he is worth as much as what other people on this site have been looking at. Mitch Marner is not going to fetch you back a top forward like Tyler Seguin, Taylor Hall or Johnny Gaudreau. He's not going to get you a top defenseman like Colton Parayko, Matt Dumba, Josh Manson or Brett Pesce. A large part of that is because of his contract. The trade below is what I think Mitch Marner is worth at most.
Trades
TOR
  1. Galchenyuk, Alex
  2. Schultz, Justin
  3. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Galchenyuk resigns at 2 years 5.5 million AAV.
Schultz resigns at 2 years 6 million AAV.
PIT
  1. Marner, Mitchell
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
Buried
  • Cody Ceci: $3,425,000 ($4,500,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
PIT
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$80,459,699$0$0$1,040,301
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
PIT
Galchenyuk, Alex
$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Shore, Nick
$750,000
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
PIT
Schultz, Justin
$5,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Kaskisuo, Kasimir
$675,000
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Nov 17 at 4:30
#1
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So what makes him a cancer?
Nov 17 at 4:31
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: oilnate
So what makes him a cancer?


His dad.
Nov 17 at 4:50
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Komarov>Tavares
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I think Tavares is the cancer. he just loses everywhere he goes
Nov 17 at 4:51
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Burgers and Hockey
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So Marner, likely a TOP10 RW in the world, is worth two pending UFAs and a low first.

I disagree with this, but you're free to think whatever you like.
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Nov 17 at 4:52
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You do know if you trade for Marner, his dad goes with him? As a Pens fan yourself, I'd bet you want Marner on your team regardless the baggage.
Nov 17 at 4:58
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
So Marner, likely a TOP10 RW in the world, is worth two pending UFAs and a low first.

I disagree with this, but you're free to think whatever you like.


Both pending UFAs get extended before the trade. Marner is not going to fetch a top top player in return, it's just not realistic. Hey @BeastModeUnknown, what'd you think of this trade?
Nov 17 at 4:59
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Another silly trade where players are extended, from a playoff bound teams before they are traded. Doesn't happen.
Nov 17 at 5:00
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Burgers and Hockey
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Both pending UFAs get extended before the trade. Marner is not going to fetch a top top player in return, it's just not realistic. Hey @BeastModeUnknown, what'd you think of this trade?


Marner isn't going to be traded. Knowing the guy's potential, it would be completely asinine to move him now when his value is not at the fullest...
Nov 17 at 5:01
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
His dad.


I've had cancer. Paul isn't that bad. He's absolutely ridiculous and maybe has some toxic tendencies, but I doubt we hear much from him going forward after how he got roasted this past summer. He's not a problem anymore. At least for another 6 yrs.
Nov 17 at 5:05
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: linehan10
I think Tavares is the cancer. he just loses everywhere he goes


At the very least he made Marner a 90 point player.
Nov 17 at 5:05
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Marner isn't going to be traded. Knowing the guy's potential, it would be completely asinine to move him now when his value is not at the fullest...


Expect Kyle Dubas to move him to try and spark the team.
Nov 17 at 5:13
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Discord COL's GM
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Marner is honestly worth more than spending FAs but again not worth an arm and a leg.
Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Both pending UFAs get extended before the trade. Marner is not going to fetch a top top player in return, it's just not realistic. Hey @BeastModeUnknown, what'd you think of this trade?


Quoting: BurgerBoss
So Marner, likely a TOP10 RW in the world, is worth two pending UFAs and a low first.

I disagree with this, but you're free to think whatever you like.
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Nov 17 at 5:14
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Burgers and Hockey
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Expect Kyle Dubas to move him to try and spark the team.


I seriously doubt Dubas would trade him after that sh*tstorm he had to go through with the negotiations with him and his representatives.

Without getting the maximum value out of Marner, trading him would be the single stupidest thing he could possibly do at the moment...
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Nov 17 at 5:14
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Marner isn't going to be traded. Knowing the guy's potential, it would be completely asinine to move him now when his value is not at the fullest...


Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
At the very least he made Marner a 90 point player.


Marner having 90 points is a naive perception. Shooting the puck down the rink and hoping someone can shoot and score count as an assist shouldn’t make him have 90 points dude is heavily carried. And heavily overrated if he doesn’t have Tavares he wouldn’t be as good.
Nov 17 at 5:18
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Quoting: ConnorsCousin
You do know if you trade for Marner, his dad goes with him? As a Pens fan yourself, I'd bet you want Marner on your team regardless the baggage.


But the Leafs are not just getting Galchenyuk in return but also his dad who was notorious in Montreal.
Nov 17 at 5:19
#16
GM - Avalanche
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Terrible trade for Leafs and not a chance that the Leafs trade Marner.
Nov 17 at 5:24
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
His dad.


Doesn't make Mitchell the problem
Nov 17 at 5:36
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: oilnate
Doesn't make Mitchell the problem


Mitch is the number one scapegoat in Toronto.
Nov 17 at 5:42
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Marner is honestly worth more than spending FAs but again not worth an arm and a leg.


Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Marner having 90 points is a naive perception. Shooting the puck down the rink and hoping someone can shoot and score count as an assist shouldn’t make him have 90 points dude is heavily carried. And heavily overrated if he doesn’t have Tavares he wouldn’t be as good.


Honestly, I think you have some sort of hate towards Mitch Marner because that's not true at all. He doesn't just shoot the puck to random areas and waits for his teammates to fetch him points. Marner is actually pretty involved in the play, he's usually carrying the puck, protecting it away from opponents and generating space to make a play. That's what he does. He's not as good as most people think, but he's not that bad either.
Nov 17 at 5:43
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: TMLSage
Terrible trade for Leafs and not a chance that the Leafs trade Marner.


Why is it a bad trade? What would be a fair offer for Marner?
Nov 17 at 5:43
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: Templar87
But the Leafs are not just getting Galchenyuk in return but also his dad who was notorious in Montreal.


I think their talent levels are the same TBH.
Nov 17 at 5:56
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Mitch is the number one scapegoat in Toronto.


Ceci is. But even if he is the scapegoat that doesn't mean that he's a cancer or that it is his fault
Nov 17 at 5:58
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
I've had cancer. Paul isn't that bad. He's absolutely ridiculous and maybe has some toxic tendencies, but I doubt we hear much from him going forward after how he got roasted this past summer. He's not a problem anymore. At least for another 6 yrs.


I hope you are well. However, most Leaf fans want Marner gone since they believe he is overpaid plus Nylander is far better than him. Send him to PIT.
Nov 17 at 5:58
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Quoting: oilnate
Ceci is. But even if he is the scapegoat that doesn't mean that he's a cancer or that it is his fault


If Marner signed for 8 million dollars a year on the maximum term, then the Leaf fans wouldn't hate him as much.
Nov 17 at 6:09
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
I seriously doubt Dubas would trade him after that sh*tstorm he had to go through with the negotiations with him and his representatives.

Without getting the maximum value out of Marner, trading him would be the single stupidest thing he could possibly do at the moment...


Dubas is getting desperate at this point. If he isn't going to fire Babcock, then he has to explore trading Marner. Also, after overpaying him by roughly 1.5-2 million in the offseason, he lost the chance to get full value for his player in a trade.
 
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