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Pageau 2 Go

Created by: BootBoi
Initial Creation Date: Nov 19, 2019
Published: Nov 19, 2019 at 1:46 pm
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Trades
EDM
  1. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
  2. Borowiecki, Mark
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (DAL)
OTT
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
  2. 2020 1st round pick (EDM)
Buyouts
  • Andrej Sekera: $2,500,000
  • Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
  • Eric Gryba: $300,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
Buried
  • Brandon Manning: $1,175,000 ($2,250,000)
  • Sam Gagner: $2,075,000 ($3,150,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
EDM
DAL
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2021
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
PIT
EDM
2022
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$80,906,999$0$2,477,500$593,001
Left WingCenterRight Wing
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 6
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 7
EDM
Neal, James
$5,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
OTT
Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
$3,100,000
C
UFA - 1
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$6,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
EDM
Kassian, Zack
$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Nygård, Joakim
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
EDM
Khaira, Jujhar
$1,200,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
EDM
Granlund, Markus
$1,300,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
OTT
Borowiecki, Mark
$1,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
EDM
Sheahan, Riley
$900,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
EDM
Chiasson, Alex
$2,150,000
RW
UFA - 2
EDM
Archibald, Josh
$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Haas, Gaëtan
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
EDM
Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 4
EDM
Larsson, Adam
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
EDM
Koskinen, Mikko
$4,500,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
EDM
Nurse, Darnell
$3,200,000
LD
RFA - 1
EDM
Russell, Kris
$4,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
EDM
Smith, Mike
$2,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
EDM
Jones, Caleb
$720,000
LD
RFA - 1
EDM
Bear, Ethan
$720,000
RD
RFA - 1
EDM
Benning, Matthew
$1,900,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
EDM
Mantha, Ryan
$870,000
RD
RFA - 1
EDM
Brodziak, Kyle
$1,150,000
C
UFA - 1

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Nov 19, 2019 at 1:48
#1
Retired V2 & V3 GM
Joined: May 2017
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Fair trade that would help out both teams! This is very realistic and I actually see this happening in the future.
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Nov 19, 2019 at 1:49
#2
Bringer_Of_Snow
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 580
Likes: 133
I really don't understand the idea of trading a 1st for a package that includes an average 3rd line center and a 6/7 dman. Asset management at an all time low on this one pal
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Nov 19, 2019 at 1:52
#3
KFTW
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 6,964
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Quoting: Bringer_Of_Snow
I really don't understand the idea of trading a 1st for a package that includes an average 3rd line center and a 6/7 dman. Asset management at an all time low on this one pal


You havent been watching this season then lol. Plus Ottawa is giving away a 2nd so its not really trading a 1st, more of an upgrade from 2nd to late 1st
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Nov 19, 2019 at 1:55
#4
Thread Starter
BootBoi
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 2,548
Likes: 308
Pageau is far better than an average C.
He has relative youth, high energy&good skills.
Strong face off, very fast.
Would boost RNH's line!
The 1st will be 25th o/a..-~
Nov 19, 2019 at 2:17
#5
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 569
Likes: 67
Quoting: Bringer_Of_Snow
I really don't understand the idea of trading a 1st for a package that includes an average 3rd line center and a 6/7 dman. Asset management at an all time low on this one pal


6/7th D???? Boro is obviously a 4th line LW hahahahahahahaha
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Nov 19, 2019 at 2:19
#6
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 6,733
Likes: 1,508
Quoting: Bringer_Of_Snow
I really don't understand the idea of trading a 1st for a package that includes an average 3rd line center and a 6/7 dman. Asset management at an all time low on this one pal


Agreed. It's WAY too much for a decent 3C rental. Pageau's boxcars look good, but that's just because he's shooting 25% right now. It won't last; he's a 30-point 3C in this league.
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Nov 19, 2019 at 2:28
#7
Hey Beter
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 2,004
Likes: 554
Quoting: BootBoi
Pageau is far better than an average C.
He has relative youth, high energy&good skills.
Strong face off, very fast.
Would boost RNH's line!
The 1st will be 25th o/a..-~


Unless the Oilers plan on either a) winning the Presidents Trophy, b) losing in the WCF, or c)winning or losing in the SCF, odds are that pick will be between #16-21. The only way they get the 25th OA pick is if they finish second in the league by the end of the year and get booted out in the division final (provided the Presidents Trophy winners are booted out by then too, if not, they'd have to be third).

The Oilers should not give up their first for Pageau unless it's in a trade like this (there has to be something better than Mark Borowiecki that could come back) AND Pageau agrees to an extension. That's a lot of value for a team that's arguably closer to the middle of the pack than being a contender. Personally, I wouldn't be moving out picks for this year's draft. If I had to move any, it'd be for the 2021 draft when the team can be expected to be even better.
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Nov 19, 2019 at 5:44
#8
Thread Starter
BootBoi
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 2,548
Likes: 308
Gratitude 4 commentary!
Call me Quasi, cuz I got a hunch that Pageau could deliver 2 next level.
The speed, defense, penalty kill just seems perfect.
Maybe even affordable..-~
Nov 19, 2019 at 7:18
#9
Bringer_Of_Snow
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 580
Likes: 133
Quoting: csick
You havent been watching this season then lol. Plus Ottawa is giving away a 2nd so its not really trading a 1st, more of an upgrade from 2nd to late 1st


You're not wrong. I don't watch Sens games, at all.

But when I see a guy whos historical point totals for full seasons are 43, 33 then 29 points. Followed by a season where he was on pace for 25 but got injured, theres a red flag. His numbers are declining. Obviously that has to do with the team that was put around him, but lots of it falls on the player. Now this year, he's on a 60 pt pace with a ridiculous 25% shooting percentage. Thats also just a 20 game sample. If you think hes a 60 pt player now, you will be displeased come season end. Kassian is have an incredible season, on pace for 60 pts too. Even though he's playing with 29 and 97, I can be realistic and say he'll likely put up 45 pts, and thats great too. None of this is even mentioning that he's a UFA at the end of the year. What's he looking for if he has a career year?
Im not trying to take anything away from JGP. Obviously hes a great PKer and reliable 3rd line center, but if you think a 20 game sample with a 25% shooting percentage is enough to warrant a 1st, you are dead wrong.

A moot point is that JP is typically valued around a 2nd rounder, so JP and the pick are relatively a wash in terms of value. Boro is worth like a 5th at best, so the OP comes down to JGP for a 1st.

Also to your point about the 1st and 2nd being a slight upgrade is off. A 1st round pick has about an 80% chance of being a regular NHL player. That cuts in half when you move to the second round. Rounds 4-7 are all similar in success rates, but the drop off after the 1st round is major, and analytically thats not something to ignore.
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