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What they should have been paid-Toronto Edition

Created by: Leafboy101
Initial Creation Date: Nov 19, 2019
Published: Nov 19, 2019 at 4:29
Team: 2019-20 Custom Team
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$74,938,333$0$0$6,561,667

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,200,000
Matthews, Auston
$11,000,000
Nylander, William
$6,000,000
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
Marner, Mitch
$9,500,000
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,200,000
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,000,000
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
Ceci, Cody
$3,500,000
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Kaskisuo, Kasimir
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Marner, M.
Tavares, J.
Matthews, A.
Barrie, T.
Rielly, M.
Power Play 2
Nylander, W.
Kerfoot, A.
Johnsson, A.
Kapanen, K.
Muzzin, J.
Penalty Kill 1
Spezza, J.
Engvall, P.
Muzzin, J.
Holl, J.
Penalty Kill 2
Hyman, Z.
Moore, T.
Dermott, T.
Ceci, C.

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Nov 19, 2019 at 5:38
#26
Caps fan idk why
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 8,633
Likes: 3,187
Quoting: BigDog91
No brainers
Mcdavid
Mackinnon
Crosby
Bergeon

He is no better then because they play more complete game

Barkov
Schiefele

That will make him seven but.

I would say u could argue

Point is better overall player. Struggling at start but so was whole team

Eichel is playing on worst team and putting up equal point totals and is better defensively.

Malkin proving he can carry a depleted pens team by himself. Can Mathews do that? He can’t carry a stacked leaf team.

Petterson and aho maybe not now but could be and I think petterson is already.

ROR not offensively but shown he is one of the best two way centers and can carry team to a cup.

So I would but him outside the top ten and that has a lot to do with him being a liability in his own end.


You can easily make a case for a lot of different guys for the 7-20 spot in the nhl for best center. Some people focus only on scoring. Some people only focus on corsi and advanced stats and ignore what’s actually happening. Some people like complete players. Some people like winners (cups). It’s all opinions just some people base their off facts and others off fairytales ha
Nov 19, 2019 at 5:40
#27
Caps fan idk why
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 8,633
Likes: 3,187
Quoting: mondo
its been like 6 hours, how are you still mad


It was impossible not to I had to shoot my shot haha
Nov 19, 2019 at 5:43
#28
MarchandsTongue
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 4,348
Likes: 1,228
Quoting: BigDog91
No brainers
Mcdavid
Mackinnon
Crosby
Bergeon

He is no better then because they play more complete game

Barkov
Schiefele

That will make him seven but.

I would say u could argue

Point is better overall player. Struggling at start but so was whole team

Eichel is playing on worst team and putting up equal point totals and is better defensively.

Malkin proving he can carry a depleted pens team by himself. Can Mathews do that? He can’t carry a stacked leaf team.

Petterson and aho maybe not now but could be and I think petterson is already.

ROR not offensively but shown he is one of the best two way centers and can carry team to a cup.

So I would but him outside the top ten and that has a lot to do with him being a liability in his own end.


Well said, I didn't have time to type out this analysis lol
Nov 19, 2019 at 5:51
#29
cheeks klapanen
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 6,786
Likes: 3,024
Quoting: Capitalfail67
You can easily make a case for a lot of different guys for the 7-20 spot in the nhl for best center. Some people focus only on scoring. Some people only focus on corsi and advanced stats and ignore what’s actually happening. Some people like complete players. Some people like winners (cups). It’s all opinions just some people base their off facts and others off fairytales ha


he is not a liability in his own end. every single player you mentioned plays on a line with better teammates than Matthews has ever had. Prime malkin was better. "Carrying" the penguins into having 2 more points than the leafs who are struggling worse than ever. Point plays with freakin kuch and stammer and still can't produce at a higher p/pg and g/pg. Scheifele is not better, and again plays with wheeler every year.

Anyways, the entire basis of your argument is wrong. Matthews doesn't play with better players than any of these guys, and you clearly can't wrap your head around the fact that Matthews is good in his own end. Not saying he's Crosby or Bergeron on D, but he's no liability in his own end, thats for sure. Believe me, I watch nearly every leafs game, and every night Matthews is the most dominant all across the board- he plays well in his own end. You can't blame all the defensive dysfunction of the team on Matthews. in this 5 game skid where the rest of the team has been terrible, he has 5pts in 8 games, and has a +/- of +2.
Nov 19, 2019 at 5:52
#30
cheeks klapanen
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 6,786
Likes: 3,024
Quoting: Capitalfail67
You can easily make a case for a lot of different guys for the 7-20 spot in the nhl for best center. Some people focus only on scoring. Some people only focus on corsi and advanced stats and ignore what’s actually happening. Some people like complete players. Some people like winners (cups). It’s all opinions just some people base their off facts and others off fairytales ha

he is not a liability in his own end. every single player you mentioned plays on a line with better teammates than Matthews has ever had. Prime malkin was better. "Carrying" the penguins into having 2 more points than the leafs who are struggling worse than ever. Point plays with freakin kuch and stammer and still can't produce at a higher p/pg and g/pg. Scheifele is not better, and again plays with wheeler every year.

Anyways, the entire basis of your argument is wrong. Matthews doesn't play with better players than any of these guys, and you clearly can't wrap your head around the fact that Matthews is good in his own end. Not saying he's Crosby or Bergeron on D, but he's no liability in his own end, thats for sure. Believe me, I watch nearly every leafs game, and every night Matthews is the most dominant all across the board- he plays well in his own end. You can't blame all the defensive dysfunction of the team on Matthews. in this 5 game skid where the rest of the team has been terrible, he has 5pts in 8 games, and has a +/- of +2.
Nov 19, 2019 at 5:54
#31
cheeks klapanen
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 6,786
Likes: 3,024
Quoting: BigDog91
No brainers
Mcdavid
Mackinnon
Crosby
Bergeon

He is no better then because they play more complete game

Barkov
Schiefele

That will make him seven but.

I would say u could argue

Point is better overall player. Struggling at start but so was whole team

Eichel is playing on worst team and putting up equal point totals and is better defensively.

Malkin proving he can carry a depleted pens team by himself. Can Mathews do that? He can’t carry a stacked leaf team.

Petterson and aho maybe not now but could be and I think petterson is already.

ROR not offensively but shown he is one of the best two way centers and can carry team to a cup.

So I would but him outside the top ten and that has a lot to do with him being a liability in his own end.


he is not a liability in his own end. every single player you mentioned plays on a line with better teammates than Matthews has ever had. Prime malkin was better. "Carrying" the penguins into having 2 more points than the leafs who are struggling worse than ever. Point plays with freakin kuch and stammer and still can't produce at a higher p/pg and g/pg. Scheifele is not better, and again plays with wheeler every year.

Anyways, the entire basis of your argument is wrong. Matthews doesn't play with better players than any of these guys, and you clearly can't wrap your head around the fact that Matthews is good in his own end. Not saying he's Crosby or Bergeron on D, but he's no liability in his own end, thats for sure. Believe me, I watch nearly every leafs game, and every night Matthews is the most dominant all across the board- he plays well in his own end. You can't blame all the defensive dysfunction of the team on Matthews. in this 5 game skid where the rest of the team has been terrible, he has 5pts in 8 games, and has a +/- of +2.
Nov 19, 2019 at 5:54
#32
Thread Starter
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 800
Likes: 100
Quoting: leafs101
he is not a liability in his own end. every single player you mentioned plays on a line with better teammates than Matthews has ever had. Prime malkin was better. "Carrying" the penguins into having 2 more points than the leafs who are struggling worse than ever. Point plays with freakin kuch and stammer and still can't produce at a higher p/pg and g/pg. Scheifele is not better, and again plays with wheeler every year.

Anyways, the entire basis of your argument is wrong. Matthews doesn't play with better players than any of these guys, and you clearly can't wrap your head around the fact that Matthews is good in his own end. Not saying he's Crosby or Bergeron on D, but he's no liability in his own end, thats for sure. Believe me, I watch nearly every leafs game, and every night Matthews is the most dominant all across the board- he plays well in his own end. You can't blame all the defensive dysfunction of the team on Matthews. in this 5 game skid where the rest of the team has been terrible, he has 5pts in 8 games, and has a +/- of +2.


Couldn’t agree more with yah on this one, everyone tells me that the +/- stat is meaningless but no it shows how many goals +/- that u have been on the ice for or against
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Nov 19, 2019 at 5:55
#33
cheeks klapanen
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 6,786
Likes: 3,024
Quoting: bsilk18
My proof is that he isn't ever in the conversation with the top 6 lol... I don't even think most people would call Tavares a top 6 guy, especially after what's happening now that he left NYI and how well they are doing without him. So top 5 is set. 6 to 10 im not sure, but the point is that Matthews should have been around 9 million at most, and I think many think Tavares was a slight overpay at 11 also... Im not anti-leafs, I actually enjoy watching Matthews, but Im just being realistic


Tavares took a discount for Toronto as a UFA... scored 47 goals last year. 9 mil at the most you've got to be joking
Nov 19, 2019 at 5:57
#34
cheeks klapanen
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 6,786
Likes: 3,024
Quoting: Leafboy101
Couldn’t agree more with yah on this one, everyone tells me that the +/- stat is meaningless but no it shows how many goals +/- that u have been on the ice for or against


I think its only useful in certain situations... when the team around you is playing awful but you're still on for more goals than against it shows your impact, or else you and your line mates impact. but in Matthew's case, he's by far the best player on his line
 
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