Quoting: claysbar
That much retention and Jarry is gonna have to include more of a return. Not so sure on the others because of the FA status on Tof and Hall.
I imagine Hall would resign here if we reached an ECF, could be wrong, Toffoli would walk in the offseason but the Penguins would have the room for Hall this summer.
Quoting: Capitalfail67
Shultz is better than Barry. Jarry could probably get a 2nd but why downgrade to help the leafs? Rest of the trades are okay I guess but this team doesn’t need to make moves. They just need to get healthy
Schultz has been fairly mediocre for us since his first season here, Barrie would excel in our system (maybe/should be different with Babcock out), and if Barrie got back to the level he played at just last year would actually be a noticeable upgrade to Schultz, and would help especially when Letang is out.
Quoting: PenGoater99
Barrie is atrocious, no need to get him
Apparently you didn't watch the last game where Schultz got torched multiple times.
Quoting: Yojimbo
That LA trade is hysterical. Joseph, Bjugstad, and Johnson w/$1M retained... for Toffoli. Flat no. Retaining that much on Johnson makes it illogical to trade him.
Joseph is considerably more than enough for Toffoli alone. Toffoli is barely a 20g 40PT guy. He isn't a star. He's a 3rd liner plus.
I offer Bjugstad and Johnson, maybe a 4th... that's all that he is realistically worth.
Maybe I sold low on Bjustad, but Johnsons contract is brutal. He's been meh this year but losing his contract even retained makes things a lot more breatheable, and Riikola deserves a spot in the top 6. Jack is still pretty bad.
Quoting: pharrow
I don't like the idea of over paying for hall.
I know he'll get a 1st and a prospect, but not that one. Especially when they get Chucky too. That doesn't work for me.
As for as the TOR trade. Jarry for a 2nd is fair, but I don't think they move him. I think they move DeSmith instead.
People panic too much. Schultz was always a sheltered Defense man.
This is nothing new. Remember the cup runs where Sullivan would pull him off the ice after 4 second shifts to avoid the mismatches.
Come on.
What you see right now is the effects of the Letang injury. Because he's not there to swallow up whole minutes. Even though tons of people on here wanted to trade him.
When Letang comes back, Schultz ends up back into a sheltered role with Letang and Marino taking those harder minutes.
Praise be Sullivan put Riikola on the Right side last game. That was a step in the right direction. But that pairing with him and JJ isn't all that strong right now. Riikola is swimming on his off side, but at least it's not JJ so we don't here how awful he is and he's the worse defense man in the league even though he's playing his off side.
But you can tell the on ice issues there as Riikola is no better at back handing a pass on his offside than most other defense men......which means he can't.
When you can't go point to point, you suffer. It's having a negative impact on the bottom pairing. Sullivan has to pull his head out his ass and either play chad send chad down and bring in Trotman to play there. Not being able to support on that pairing is not the answer. That goal where Riikola was getting out played on his offside was just painful to watch, you could see it developing. JJ could only stand exactly where he was suppose to be and do nothing. But people will blame him for it.
They just need to keep their head above water here. They got a point. Maybe it's enough. We'll see.
But the answer for the defensive play starts with Letang coming back,
I would assume Hall could come here with an extension (which the Penguins could afford) if we gave up that much, didn't say that in the notes or anything though because you truly never know. Completely agree with pretty much all you had to say on the defense, however, Schultz getting torched when Letang is gone is a problem, Barrie so far seems to be a victim of poor fit in Toronto, that could be in large part to Babcock like I said earlier. Marino has also been solid, but he is still prone to rookie mistakes which is just what you would expect, but he's not going to be able to eat enough minutes just so Justin Schultz can get favorable matchups. Simply if Schultz plays better theres no reason to trade him, but analytically he's hardly (if at all in stretches) been a top 4 defenseman. I think Barrie would offer more.