Oshie contract is bad and this trade is so bad holy

I don't like the leafs but holy that's a terrible trade for them. id rather have Nylander than oshie, and the leafs are also giving up Dermott and Mikheyev?

That's what people said about Weber, the day after the Habs got him for Subban, who has since been traded for three 2nd round picks, while Weber is still playing top pair in Montreal.

How is Oshie like Weber? Tough, ageless, great on defense, great on both special teams, an Olympic hero.

Oshie's lowest single season hits total is 71. Nylander's career total is 70.

Since Nylander's rookie year, Oshie has 49 more goals than Nylander.

Oshie is currently tied for 15th in the NHL with 10 goals. That's more than Nylander, Kadri, or Tavares, but fewer than Matthews, right now.

But mostly Toronto makes this trade because Gudas and Copley get them to the playoffs.

Dermot and even Mikheyvev could long term cost efficient Leafs, so I can't see them being traded Besides Reilly, Dermot (RFA) is the only "signed" Dman the Leafs have for next year Oshie for four more years...not sure about that, besides his NTC kills the deal.

I think the Leafs should trade Mitch Marner for Tom Wilson.

I think the Caps don't like paying Marner twice as Wilson anymore than the Leafs do.

Now this is the kind of hot take we're used to in conversations about Nylander. Gudas has Dermott's skill (by even strength points), and he'd be the toughest Leaf, and their best penalty killer. That's worth Dermott and Mikheyev. Since Nylander broke into the league, Oshie has 49 more goals than Nylander. When Oshie played 3rd line for a year, he elevated the guys around him, helping Lars Eller set a career high in goals. When Nylander played 3rd line last year, he was bad and the Leafs were still one of the best teams in the league, with Kapanen and others taking over Nylander's role. Oshie for Nylander straight up is like Weber for Subban. Yes, there's an age difference, but the intangibles balance it out.

I threw in Copley and a 3rd to try not to get comments like this. Copley went 16-8-1 last year on a team not quite as good as the Leafs. Don't tell anyone, but he might be better than Andersen.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the Caps give out NTCs that don't have a list of teams that are exceptions. Mikheyev is off to a great start, but lots of rookies start out great and then level off. He's an unknown quanity. Dermott is like a younger Gudas without the toughness. Nylander is like a younger Oshie without the toughness, goal scoring, leadership, penalty killing, Olympic heroism.....

Sorry Eli, Dermot alone is worth a ton more than UFA Gudas. Dermot just might be the Leafs best Dman ...yeah despite playing just 10 games. Even if this horrid losing streak the Leafs are on and Dermot and has been playing in them, his 10 game total......he's a plus 6.

Another classic, can you trade me this player who isn't good for this player who is amazing, I know he's old but he's amazing and much better than the player I am trading him for.

No you are not getting Nylander, if it was that package alone for Nylander it wouldn't probably work. Oshie is old and his contract is bad and it will only get worse. Just stop this nonsense.

Gudas hits as much as Wilson, and kills more penalties. Oshie scores more goals than Wilson, with just as many coming from just as close. In a salary cap world, this is the next best thing.

So if Oshie is so good, why are you trading him? I am going to wager a guess and say its because Nylander is younger and has a tonne of skill and you'd like to add some younger high skilled pieces to your aging squad. Just so you know, TO isn't really in the game of moving high value young players for older low value future cap anchors and overrated depth pieces.

People forget that Nylander is worth more than Marner.

Okay. Go try and get Kadri back, then. Fact is, the Leafs were a lot better with one more nasty old dude who can score 30 goals in a good year than they are with one less. A lot better. It's not close. Nylander is a replaceable spare part with great upside.

No body thinks that.

Backstrom and Nylander are friends, and yeah, Oshie is only going to stay better than Nylander for another two or three years, most likely. On the other hand, Johnsson, Kapanen, Tymashov and Bracco are also young and improving, so the Leafs get to more postseasons if they make this trade than if they don't.

Well...I do. He may not be equivalent ability wise but that contract makes him one of the most valuable players in the league.

If that is really what you believe why are you trading Oshie for Nylander? Personally when I think about trades, I target things I value and try to move things that aren't as useful for the asset I think is needed. Since that is, you know, the only reason why anyone has ever wanted to make a trade, I think you must feel the same way. So if Oshie is so amazing and Nylander is just average depth, why do you want to trade for him?

Nylander is worth either a top pick, a top line forward or a top defenseman. He is that valuable according to Leaf fans.

So if we carve away all that non sense about inferior depth players, the answer is Nylander is definitely a more valuable asset and will hold way more value than a guy on the wrong side of 30 that could start declining any season now and still has what 6 years of term or something like that? Yeah your motivations are as transparent as can be. If you are going to target the Leafs for a trade, at least try to make it sensible. Moving a 32 year old for a 23 year old is not sensible.

And I am not even talking about the rest of the trade which could be even worse! Gudas is nothing special, he's a better version of Roman Polak. Dermott is 23 and is already one of the better defenceman on the Leafs and will be a huge piece moving forward. Gudas is not anything close to that. And you also want Mikheyev? For what a backup goalie? No thanks at all. This is all just garbage.

I think Michael Nylander mentored Backstrom and helped him become one of the Caps' all time greats. I hope that Backstrom could return the favor, with WIlliam, but there are no guarantees. And even if Nylander ends up being as good of a goal scorer as Oshie some day, he will never be as tough as Oshie, who was never as tough as Gudas. The Leafs' defense is all skill, but Muzzin and Hyman are the toughest guys on the team. Obviously Dermott is valuable but there's a limit to how many skill guys can be effective on one team in the current NHL. Now, if you change the rules a bit...

This is the funny part of non Leaf fans logic on here.

The scenario, "Can I trade you this old player for Nylander?" or "Here is a depth defenceman and a 2nd round pick for Nylander because he had that bad season last year. " Leaf fans answer with, "No, we'll keep Nylander because he's terrific and is only going to get better and he's only 23 and has been our most consistent player this season." The response from non Leaf fans, "All Leaf fans think Nylander is worth McDavid."

Not accepting terrible trades doesn't mean the fans think he's worth way more than he is, they just don't accept garbage like this.

Oshie is tied for 15th in goals in the NHL right now, though?

The way things are going he'll be great with Lafreniere.

Enough of all this fluff, the answer is always going to be no. Nylander has been the most consistent offensive player for the Leafs this season and his contract is one of the best on the team. No, I don't care about Backstrom's relationship with Nylander, I don't care what anyone says about Gudas, he isn't anything special and the whole toughness thing is just nonsense.