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Blues are scouting leafs what could it mean

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Nov 23, 2019 at 11:22
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It means they're doing their jobs. You know, because they're scouts?
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:27
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My first thought was Bortuzzo
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Nov 23, 2019 at 11:29
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
It means they're doing their jobs. You know, because they're scouts?


The gm of the blues and the senior exc was also there tonight
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Nov 23, 2019 at 11:30
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
It means they're doing their jobs. You know, because they're scouts?


Pretty sure they said on headlines that they’re scouting each other pretty heavily
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:30
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
It means they're doing their jobs. You know, because they're scouts?


Did you watch the Ottawa v Detroit game last night?
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:32
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Quoting: STLBlues17
My first thought was Bortuzzo


If Babs was the coach I could see him pushing dubas to look into it. But he’s not. As much as I like Burtuzzo he is not a dubas or keefe player. I could very well be wrong though.
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:35
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Quoting: Jamiepo
If Babs was the coach I could see him pushing dubas to look into it. But he’s not. As much as I like Burtuzzo he is not a dubas or keefe player. I could very well be wrong though.


Bortuzzo shouldn't be in the league, let alone a guy the Leafs should target.
https://twitter.com/AlexDaugherty1/status/1198427758596153345


Nov 23, 2019 at 11:35
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Quoting: Jamiepo
If Babs was the coach I could see him pushing dubas to look into it. But he’s not. As much as I like Burtuzzo he is not a dubas or keefe player. I could very well be wrong though.


Petro or Parayko? I mean obviously not but one can dream right....
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Nov 23, 2019 at 11:37
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
Petro or Parayko? I mean obviously not but one can dream right....


Blues have a long history of moving star players on expiring contracts. It's Pietro
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:37
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Quoting: STLBlues17
My first thought was Bortuzzo


I don't see army scouting the leafs if it's a small deal like that.
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:40
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Quoting: Random2152
Blues have a long history of moving star players on expiring contracts. It's Pietro


Trading Stastny and Shattenkirk while the team is out of the playoffs is a lot different than trading Pietrangelo when the team is first in the west and retained an entire championship squad.
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Nov 23, 2019 at 11:41
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Quoting: Random2152
Blues have a long history of moving star players on expiring contracts. It's Pietro


That would be my thought also. Like I said to STLBlues17 I can't see Army scouting the leafs if it's a small trade. When STL was in Tor earlier this season it was said that they where going to meet with his representatives about an extension. Maybe those talks didn't go anywhere? I wonder who we woild trade though.... Got any thoughts?
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:43
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
That would be my thought also. Like I said to STLBlues17 I can't see Army scouting the leafs if it's a small trade. When STL was in Tor earlier this season it was said that they where going to meet with his representatives about an extension. Maybe those talks didn't go anywhere? I wonder who we woild trade though.... Got any thoughts?


It would to be ceci involved
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:44
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Trading Stastny and Shattenkirk while the team is out of the playoffs is a lot different than trading Pietrangelo when the team is first in the west and retained an entire championship squad.


Where were they when they moved Oshie? Thought that was a playoff year no? And Stastny trade was when you were in contention for a spot (you lost in last game iirc).
To answer the why bit: Asset management. If you can get the right return that doesn't compromise the now while setting up for the future and you like your other options (Faulk and Paryko) there is a cutthroat logic to it.
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:44
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
That would be my thought also. Like I said to STLBlues17 I can't see Army scouting the leafs if it's a small trade. When STL was in Tor earlier this season it was said that they where going to meet with his representatives about an extension. Maybe those talks didn't go anywhere? I wonder who we woild trade though.... Got any thoughts?


It would have to be quite an offer
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:45
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Quoting: Random2152
Where were they when they moved Oshie? Thought that was a playoff year no? And Stastny trade was when you were in contention for a spot (you lost in last game iirc).
To answer the why bit: Asset management. If you can get the right return that doesn't compromise the now while setting up for the future and you like your other options (Faulk and Paryko) there is a cutthroat logic to it.


Offseason, and they traded Stastny after a 7 game losing streak
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:50
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Offseason, and they traded Stastny after a 7 game losing streak


Even so, the history of strict asset management plus team needs and surpluses does lend to that being the most likely considering the heavy amount of scouting.

In terms of return that would make sense, For a rental I'd imagine Kapanen and Liljegren for Piet and a good prospect (worse than Lily).

Actually I think Kap and Bracco might make more sense for the Blues assuming Piet comes with a depth add on or something else coming back as well.
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:51
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Quoting: Random2152
Bortuzzo shouldn't be in the league, let alone a guy the Leafs should target.
https://twitter.com/AlexDaugherty1/status/1198427758596153345




Ok he has crossed the line but if he shouldn’t be in the League. Neither should Kadri, all of the enforcers, Marchand, and others, but they aren’t it’s apart of the game to get heated.
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Nov 23, 2019 at 11:51
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Quoting: Random2152
Even so, the history of strict asset management plus team needs and surpluses does lend to that being the most likely considering the heavy amount of scouting.

In terms of return that would make sense, For a rental I'd imagine Kapanen and Liljegren for Piet and a good prospect (worse than Lily).

Actually I think Kap and Bracco might make more sense for the Blues assuming Piet comes with a depth add on or something else coming back as well.


Idk, I’d rather just take another run at the cup unless it’s an awesome package
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Nov 23, 2019 at 11:52
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Quoting: Random2152
Blues have a long history of moving star players on expiring contracts. It's Pietro

Blues are doing well in the west why would they give up Pietro for what Toronto is only interested in doing Spare Parts.
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Nov 23, 2019 at 11:54
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Quoting: STLBlues17
It would have to be quite an offer


What would you say STL would want or be interested in?
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:55
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Quoting: Leafs_fan13
It would to be ceci involved


The blues would have no interest in Ceci
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:56
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Quoting: Random2152
Even so, the history of strict asset management plus team needs and surpluses does lend to that being the most likely considering the heavy amount of scouting.

In terms of return that would make sense, For a rental I'd imagine Kapanen and Liljegren for Piet and a good prospect (worse than Lily).

Actually I think Kap and Bracco might make more sense for the Blues assuming Piet comes with a depth add on or something else coming back as well.

That’s basically the Blues doing a favor that’s a significant downgrade. Toronto fans can only dream, but you aren’t looking at it from a Blues point of view. Why would they do that if they are still in Contention. Blues have only ever traded Rentals when they have fallen off which was 1 non playoff season and the other one was very close to non playoff and they came off a 8 Game losing streak.
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:56
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Ok he has crossed the line but if he shouldn’t be in the League. Neither should Kadri, all of the enforcers, Marchand, and others, but they aren’t it’s apart of the game to get heated.


There is crossing the line, and then there is intent to injure on multiple occasions. This is the latter while Kadri, Marchand, etc are the former. I'd argue that Lucic is getting close to the should be out of the league (from a disciplinary perspective) too.

Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Blues are doing well in the west why would they give up Pietro for what Toronto is only interested in doing Spare Parts.


Who says it would only be spare parts? Piet as a rental could return something nice and have conditional picks if we re-sign him (not likely to happen but still). I'd imagine Kap and Bracco make the most sense as a starting point considering the Leafs don't have a 1st this year.

Quoting: STLBlues17
Idk, I’d rather just take another run at the cup unless it’s an awesome package


I understand this mentality. I have the same one (with Gards and JVR/Bozie). It just seems like Army tends to go the more asset management side of things.
Nov 23, 2019 at 11:57
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Blues are doing well in the west why would they give up Pietro for what Toronto is only interested in doing Spare Parts.


Like I said above, I can't see army scouting if it's a small deal. I'm not saying it's Petro but let's say it is hypothetically what would your blues be interested in from my leafs?
 
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