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Created by: Leafboy101
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 24, 2019
Published: Nov. 24, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
MIN
  1. Hutchinson, Michael
  2. Petan, Nicolas
  3. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
  4. 2020 6th round pick (CAR)
2.
STL
  1. Bracco, Jeremy
  2. Ceci, Cody ($500,000 retained)
  3. Kapanen, Kasperi
  4. Liljegren, Timothy
  5. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$81,307,143$0$70,000$192,857
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$11,634,000$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,893,000$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$700,000$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$675,000$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$785,000$785,000
G
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$694,444$694,444 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$700,000$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,250,000$5,250,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1

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Nov. 24, 2019 at 9:56 a.m.
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The Blues hang up and delete your contact for that nonsense. You guys need to let go of this Parayko/Petro stuff. Not gonna happen, no way no day, and I can only assume you already know that.
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Nov. 24, 2019 at 9:57 a.m.
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This Parayko trades are so funny.Ask every voach or Gm who the best Defender is and 90 % say Parayko.If you want him Marner or Matthews has be in the teade.That will not happen so no trade.
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Nov. 24, 2019 at 10:02 a.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
The Blues hang up and delete your contact for that nonsense. You guys need to let go of this Parayko/Petro stuff. Not gonna happen, no way no day, and I can only assume you already know that.


Who’s gonna go pietrangelo or parayko, can’t afford both next year and after signing Faulk it makes it clear that one of these two are gonna go but y would you trade or let go of your captain also parayko can fetch a better deal the him cause he’s controlled for this year and 2 more can produce offensively and defensively so...
Nov. 24, 2019 at 10:06 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafboy101
Who’s gonna go pietrangelo or parayko, can’t afford both next year and after signing Faulk it makes it clear that one of these two are gonna go but y would you trade or let go of your captain also parayko can fetch a better deal the him cause he’s controlled for this year and 2 more can produce offensively and defensively so...


It's a fantastic dream ya got there, but it's still just a dream. Army will find a way to keep Petro. And there is less than zero chance we'll trade Parayko, end of story. And it sure as hell would not be a trash package like that.
Nov. 24, 2019 at 10:09 a.m.
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It's a fantastic dream ya got there, but it's still just a dream. Army will find a way to keep Petro. And there is less than zero chance we'll trade Parayko, end of story. And it sure as hell would not be a trash package like that.


Top 6 forward at $3.2 million for 3 years in kapanen, a potential top 4 RHD in liljegren, potential top 6 forward RW/C in Bracco, 2020 first round pick and Ceci who is a RHD and only 25 so he has room to improve still but has some potential, maybe if the leafs threw another first in their sure the deal would look good but Its not trash give me a break u moron
Nov. 24, 2019 at 10:23 a.m.
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Top 6 forward at $3.2 million for 3 years in kapanen, a potential top 4 RHD in liljegren, potential top 6 forward RW/C in Bracco, 2020 first round pick and Ceci who is a RHD and only 25 so he has room to improve still but has some potential, maybe if the leafs threw another first in their sure the deal would look good but Its not trash give me a break u moron


First of all, super genius, the pick listed above is a 2021 1st. Beyond that, Kap is a middle six with potential to be legit top six and Bracco is a small AHL/NHL tweener that has somehow managed to never see a single TML game as he nears his 23rd birthday. I'll grant that Liljegren has value, but he still needs a ton of work in his own end.

Individually, none of them are straight trash. But if you want to trade for Parayko, that absolutely is a trash package to offer a team that is not looking for a stack of futures.
Nov. 24, 2019 at 10:28 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafboy101
Who’s gonna go pietrangelo or parayko, can’t afford both next year and after signing Faulk it makes it clear that one of these two are gonna go but y would you trade or let go of your captain also parayko can fetch a better deal the him cause he’s controlled for this year and 2 more can produce offensively and defensively so...


Sounds like a wonderful problem for Armstrong to solve in June. They'll lose Pietrangelo for nothing because they're chasing a Cup before they move him purely out of fear they'll lose him. GMs let players walk for nothing every summer if they think they can go deep in the playoffs.
Nov. 24, 2019 at 10:32 a.m.
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First of all, super genius, the pick listed above is a 2021 1st. Beyond that, Kap is a middle six with potential to be legit top six and Bracco is a small AHL/NHL tweener that has somehow managed to never see a single TML game as he nears his 23rd birthday. I'll grant that Liljegren has value, but he still needs a ton of work in his own end.

Individually, none of them are straight trash. But if you want to trade for Parayko, that absolutely is a trash package to offer a team that is not looking for a stack of futures.


Liljegren's strength is his defence
Nov. 24, 2019 at 10:43 a.m.
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Quoting: Dommait
This Parayko trades are so funny.Ask every voach or Gm who the best Defender is and 90 % say Parayko.If you want him Marner or Matthews has be in the teade.That will not happen so no trade.


hahaha wow
Nov. 24, 2019 at 10:57 a.m.
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Liljegren's strength is his defence


No, his strength is skating. He's certainly improved his defensive game from back when everyone thought he would be a PP quarterback type, but that's in the AHL. He apparently hasn't improved enough to break into a TML defense corps that is screaming out for own zone play.
Nov. 24, 2019 at 11:13 a.m.
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The funniest thing is Parayko is currently playing the left side ???
Nov. 24, 2019 at 11:16 a.m.
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Who’s gonna go pietrangelo or parayko, can’t afford both next year and after signing Faulk it makes it clear that one of these two are gonna go but y would you trade or let go of your captain also parayko can fetch a better deal the him cause he’s controlled for this year and 2 more can produce offensively and defensively so...


Cap goes up by 3 million. Bozak Steen both gone via some transaction. That’s 10 Million right there Bouwmeester 3.25 is out the door. Jake Allen can be traded that would be 3.45M. We aren’t giving Parayko for spare parts bud nor for Pietrangelo either. We can make space. It’s literally the same thing said in Tampa. Look where Point still is.
Nov. 24, 2019 at 11:34 a.m.
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TOR
Stalock, Alex
MIN
Petan, Nicolas
Hutchinson, Michael
2020 4th round pick (VGK)
2020 6th round pick (CAR)
TOR
Parayko, Colton
STL
Bracco, Jeremy
Kapanen, Kasperi
Ceci, Cody ($500,000 retained)
Liljegren, Timothy
2021 1st round pick (TOR)

I looked at this just on value, as an outsider, and it seemed like Tor is making enough of an overpay to get players of that quality at a trade deadline.

But STL is all in, and Tor is the third-youngest team in the NHL so their needs might not line up on Parayko. If STL can't re-sign Pietrangelo, though, because he for some reason doesn't want to stay with the team he just led to a Cup, then they'd obviously be sad but think pretty hard about this kind of a package.

I think they might prefer Sandin over Kapanen, though, just in terms of depth charts?
Nov. 24, 2019 at 12:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Dommait
This Parayko trades are so funny.Ask every voach or Gm who the best Defender is and 90 % say Parayko.If you want him Marner or Matthews has be in the teade.That will not happen so no trade.


MARNER AND MATTHEWS ARE NOT GOING TO TRADE ANYWHERE. LEAFS SHOULD SWITCH LILJEGREN AND KAPANEN FOR NYLANDER.
GO LEAFS GO!!!!
Nov. 24, 2019 at 12:09 p.m.
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No, his strength is skating. He's certainly improved his defensive game from back when everyone thought he would be a PP quarterback type, but that's in the AHL. He apparently hasn't improved enough to break into a TML defense corps that is screaming out for own zone play.


System problems not defence. This is a tired and incorrect assessment. You like many are making judgements based off incorrect ideals. The defence is fine, the system was trash under Babs. Keefe's system will fix many of the issues that have been problematic. Liljegren is going to be terrific and this St Louis rumour is nothing. Pietrangelo and Parayko are both going to with St Louis.
Nov. 24, 2019 at 12:12 p.m.
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System problems not defence. This is a tired and incorrect assessment. You like many are making judgements based off incorrect ideals. The defence is fine, the system was trash under Babs. Keefe's system will fix many of the issues that have been problematic.

Liljegren is going to be terrific...

and this St Louis rumour is nothing. Pietrangelo and Parayko are both going to with St Louis.



1- Fair enough, but I'm only repeating what so many Leafs fans say.
2- Maybe so, I never said I doubted him. I just said he ain't there yet.
3- Bingo! Pass it along to your TML brethren here.
Nov. 24, 2019 at 1:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
TOR
Stalock, Alex
MIN
Petan, Nicolas
Hutchinson, Michael
2020 4th round pick (VGK)
2020 6th round pick (CAR)
TOR
Parayko, Colton
STL
Bracco, Jeremy
Kapanen, Kasperi
Ceci, Cody ($500,000 retained)
Liljegren, Timothy
2021 1st round pick (TOR)

I looked at this just on value, as an outsider, and it seemed like Tor is making enough of an overpay to get players of that quality at a trade deadline.

But STL is all in, and Tor is the third-youngest team in the NHL so their needs might not line up on Parayko. If STL can't re-sign Pietrangelo, though, because he for some reason doesn't want to stay with the team he just led to a Cup, then they'd obviously be sad but think pretty hard about this kind of a package.

I think they might prefer Sandin over Kapanen, though, just in terms of depth charts?


What if the leafs gave them Sandin, kapanen, Bracco, Ceci ($500K retained) 2020 first round pick and a 2021 second round pick would that make it better
 
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