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Should Robert Bortuzzo have been suspended for more than 4 games for his second cross-check of Viktor Arvidsson?
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Nov. 27, 2019 at 8:53 a.m.
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You said "violence sells." You advocated charging, launching and cross-checking -- all of which could result in serious or even career-ending injury. That's where you said "killing a guy on the ice is okay." You said it -- own it.


You cannot even try to equate charging being the same as swinging a guys stick at someones head or taking a skate blade and using it as a weapon. One is truly assault the other is part of the sport. like what? Theres a huge difference between playing a sport to its fullest capacity and then going WAY over the line and straight up assaulting a guy. Talk about intellectually honest my god. Violence does sell, if there wasnt violence you think people would watch the NFL? There would be no rugby, no UFC, no wrestling etc etc. If violence didnt sell, they wouldnt keep making horror movies. Its been statistically proven that violence sells. Contact sports benefit from big hits, big plays, etc. Do i want Malkin swinging his stick at peoples heads? no. Do i want tom wilson to be able hit guys as hard as he can within reason (no late cheap shot crap, boarding, etc) yeah i do.
Nov. 27, 2019 at 9:07 a.m.
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What kind of argument is that? Fifty years ago, not letting black people vote was "legal" in some states. (Cross-checking was never legal; clearing out the crease was accepted, that's all.) And your admission that you would have done the same thing out of an inability to control your anger is appalling.

The idea that flopping is a license for an opposing player to deliberately attempt to injure the flopper is also appalling.

Your advocacy for allowing charging, launching, cross-checking, etc. in earlier posts all in the name of creating a professional-wrestling-like blood culture is, to put it kindly, uncivilized and, fortunately, counter to the general progress our society in general and hockey in particular is making.


Bortuzzo's initial "cross check" where arvidsson flops was his attempt of clearing out the crease. Dont want to get hit, dont go INSIDE the crease. Happens literally in every game. Bortuzzo went over the line on the 2nd check when arvidsson was down.

Why do you care that i would retaliate or not? If someone is out there flopping and making a mockery of the game im going to do the same thing but on the other end of the spectrum. Theres no place for flopping in hockey. If i wanted to watch flopping ide watch more soccer. Maybe players will think twice before flopping again when they play st. louis. Good for them. Let me paint this picture, its the stanley cup nashville is playing your favorite team, arvidsson flops on a soft "cross check" gets a call, nashville scores on the powerplay and wins. Would you be more pissed that the opponent won on a scam artist style play where the refs decided the game. Or would you be more mad that bortuzzo reacted and went over the line on a lapse of judgement. Ide bet if the refs dont make that soft call bortuzzo doesnt go over the line and drill arvidsson.

The game wouldnt BE HERE TODAY if it wasnt for the hard hitting, "uncivilized" "barbaric" play style that occurred in the past. If you dont think the ONLY reason the NHL is getting softer is because of the CTE lawsuits and the money involved in future payouts, then you my friend are blatantly naive. You think a sport that is built for contact and heavy hits WANTS to become softer? Funny how the refs typically bury their whistles in the playoffs and we go back to the "uncivilized" version of hockey. The NHL knows what sells.
Nov. 27, 2019 at 12:05 p.m.
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Bortuzzo's initial "cross check" where arvidsson flops was his attempt of clearing out the crease. Dont want to get hit, dont go INSIDE the crease. Happens literally in every game. Bortuzzo went over the line on the 2nd check when arvidsson was down.


It was a definition cross-check which is a penalty. Even if you think Ardvisson "flopped", the initial hit was a cross-check and the ref was looking right at him.

Bortuzzo was just mad that he didn't get away with it.
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Nov. 27, 2019 at 12:10 p.m.
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It was a definition cross-check which is a penalty. Even if you think Ardvisson "flopped", the initial hit was a cross-check and the ref was looking right at him.

Bortuzzo was just mad that he didn't get away with it.


he BARELY touches him which is why bortuzzo got mad
Nov. 27, 2019 at 12:10 p.m.
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Nov. 27, 2019 at 12:13 p.m.
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he BARELY touches him which is why bortuzzo got mad


apparently burying your stick into a guys back qualifies as barely touching him.
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Nov. 27, 2019 at 12:24 p.m.
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apparently burying your stick into a guys back qualifies as barely touching him.


watch it slowed down and you can see he barely touches him before arvidsson flops.
Nov. 27, 2019 at 12:27 p.m.
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watch it slowed down and you can see he barely touches him before arvidsson flops.


I did and I what I saw was Bortuzzo burying his stick, with both hands, into a player's back.
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Nov. 27, 2019 at 12:33 p.m.
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I did and I what I saw was Bortuzzo burying his stick, with both hands, into a player's back.


not how i saw it, to each their own i guess. i saw bortuzzo with one hand on his stick go in with it pressed against his body, arvidsson start to fall before bortuzzo even extends his arms and then bortuzzo looks at the ref and gets pissed and the gives him a hefty 2 hander to the lower back.
Nov. 27, 2019 at 2:49 p.m.
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apparently burying your stick into a guys back qualifies as barely touching him.


Yeah, this is the perfect example of "Who are you going to believe -- me or your lying eyes?"
Nov. 27, 2019 at 3:43 p.m.
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not how i saw it, to each their own i guess. i saw bortuzzo with one hand on his stick go in with it pressed against his body, arvidsson start to fall before bortuzzo even extends his arms and then bortuzzo looks at the ref and gets pissed and the gives him a hefty 2 hander to the lower back.


now youre just making stuff up. bortuzzo had 2 hands on his stick the whole time, he takes his left hand off his stick after the hit.

watch from 0:43 to 0:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQGKRgxQHY4
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Nov. 27, 2019 at 6:00 p.m.
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Thats how ive seen it through watching the video multiple times now. He goes in barely holding the stick in soft with his stick in the air. Then after contact he wasnt thinking arvidsson would drop like that or else he wouldnt have reacted by grabbing the crossbar to brace himself...
 
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