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Pietro

Created by: jloose
Initial Creation Date: Nov 25, 2019
Published: Nov 25, 2019 at 10:21
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Comrie, Eric
ARI
  1. Petan, Nicolas
TOR
  1. Pietrangelo, Alex
STL
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. Bracco, Jeremy
TOR
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Ceci, Cody
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
PIT
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$81,977,699$0$0-$477,699
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Shore, Nick
$750,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
STL
Pietrangelo, Alex
$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
ARI
Comrie, Eric
$700,000
G
RFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Nov 25, 2019 at 10:23
#1
SENSAREELITE
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Blues will just block ur number after that offer
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Nov 25, 2019 at 10:23
#2
Thread Starter
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Quoting: nobrainsensfan
Blues will just block ur number after that offer


wrong
Nov 25, 2019 at 10:35
#3
Let'sGoBlues | WPGv4
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As long as you're aware that there is a laundry list of things that would have to change to move Pietrangelo out of STL, I think you're on the right track with his value. I'd want something like Petro ($ retained) and Sanford for Johnsson, Liljegren, 2021 1st, 2020 pick conditional on Leafs' playoff results. (Bracco isn't a good fit for STL imo.) I don't consider it a rental price because I think the only way TOR would go after Petro is if they were going to extend him.
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Nov 25, 2019 at 10:44
#4
bigZ
Joined: Jun 2019
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wtf is that pens leafs trade, what part of the pens current makeup makes you think they would be interested in him and that contract at all let alone give a 3rd for him lmao
Nov 25, 2019 at 10:56
#5
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I think it is a good start man. You are on the right track here. Think about it this way.... There is probably a team out there that would put the always sought after package of a 1st round pick + Roster player + A Higher Level Prospect together for a guy like Petro.

I do think that the the Blues, by their own actions are moving on from him though. They will either keep him for another run at the cup and let him walk or trade him to the highest bidder IMO.

Are the Leafs in a position to make an offer like that?

Ask yourself this question... Would you be comfortable with Tor 1st + Johnsson + Liljegren for Pietrangelo? Because someone else will offer a similar package for him if the Blues make it known that they are trading him.

Steep price. Great player! Thanks for posting.
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Nov 25, 2019 at 11:00
#6
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I highly doubt Dubas is going to spend the necessary pieces to obtain Pietrangelo.

1) It will cost a lot, pics, a roster player and a prospect
2) He's 30 and going to be FA, his rental price would be too much
3) Hi next contract is going to be way too much for his age and what he'll accomplish over that contract.

I just don't see any reality into this rumour which by the way is entirely specualation.
Nov 25, 2019 at 11:04
#7
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: A_K
As long as you're aware that there is a laundry list of things that would have to change to move Pietrangelo out of STL, I think you're on the right track with his value. I'd want something like Petro ($ retained) and Sanford for Johnsson, Liljegren, 2021 1st, 2020 pick conditional on Leafs' playoff results. (Bracco isn't a good fit for STL imo.) I don't consider it a rental price because I think the only way TOR would go after Petro is if they were going to extend him.


Tha value isn’t bad but I just don’t see the fit. Leafs could re sign Barrie, pay less and still get an offensive Dman without putting anything up. Moving liljegren at this point would be absurd. He is a perfect 2 way fit for the leafs and will be able to provide better defence than petro in years to come.
Nov 25, 2019 at 11:09
#8
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To get Pietrangelo I would think the Leafs would have to offer Nylander + Sandin.
Nov 25, 2019 at 11:14
#9
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Quoting: bigZ98
wtf is that pens leafs trade, what part of the pens current makeup makes you think they would be interested in him and that contract at all let alone give a 3rd for him lmao


does it really matter, pick a team.
Letang is a band-aid and their 2nd best defencemen is Justin Shultz. Seems like they could use a top 4 D
Relax
Nov 25, 2019 at 11:14
#10
Let'sGoBlues | WPGv4
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Tha value isn’t bad but I just don’t see the fit. Leafs could re sign Barrie, pay less and still get an offensive Dman without putting anything up. Moving liljegren at this point would be absurd. He is a perfect 2 way fit for the leafs and will be able to provide better defence than petro in years to come.


True, from a asset/cost perspective signing Barrie and keeping Liljegren makes more sense. But I'll disagree with you that you're getting anything of Pietrangelo's quality by doing that, even accounting for his age/expected decline.
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Nov 25, 2019 at 11:18
#11
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
I highly doubt Dubas is going to spend the necessary pieces to obtain Pietrangelo.

1) It will cost a lot, pics, a roster player and a prospect
2) He's 30 and going to be FA, his rental price would be too much
3) Hi next contract is going to be way too much for his age and what he'll accomplish over that contract.

I just don't see any reality into this rumour which by the way is entirely specualation.


Totally agree, wanted to see how it would look based on Freidman's rumour.
Would be very hard to fit Pietro at 8+mil the following season and age is definitely concern.
But if your swinging for the fences in the next 2-3 years, it could make sense.
Nov 25, 2019 at 11:18
#12
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: A_K
True, from a asset/cost perspective signing Barrie and keeping Liljegren makes more sense. But I'll disagree with you that you're getting anything of Pietrangelo's quality by doing that, even accounting for his age/expected decline.


I agree that petro is obviously better than Barrie. But...
Barrie + lilgren > Petro and more cost effective.

Also Barrie+ lilgren + Johnsson well that’s a clear cut Decision.
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Nov 25, 2019 at 11:20
#13
bigZ
Joined: Jun 2019
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Quoting: jloose
does it really matter, pick a team.
Letang is a band-aid and their 2nd best defencemen is Justin Shultz. Seems like they could use a top 4 D
Relax


Ceci is a top 4D? In that case i think the leafs could use him more than the pens looking at that abomination of a defense the leafs have. Schultz is not the second best defensmen we have after tanger, that would be dumolin, petterson, and marino. Pens are totally okay without taking on an anchor in ceci. Pass. Dont think any team regardless of where they are in standings is giving you a 3rd for him so may wanna take another look there bud.
Nov 25, 2019 at 11:24
#14
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Quoting: bigZ98
Ceci is a top 4D? In that case i think the leafs could use him more than the pens looking at that abomination of a defense the leafs have. Schultz is not the second best defensmen we have after tanger, that would be dumolin, petterson, and marino. Pens are totally okay without taking on an anchor in ceci. Pass. Dont think any team regardless of where they are in standings is giving you a 3rd for him so may wanna take another look there bud.


Lol Leafs D > Pens D.
Put on your big boy clothes and get out of the basement, your mom is calling you upstairs for breakfast.
Nov 25, 2019 at 12:01
#15
CPDunn Untouchable
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Blues aren’t going to accept this from the pure fact we still have another cup run.
Nov 25, 2019 at 1:42
#16
bigZ
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Quoting: jloose
Lol Leafs D > Pens D.
Put on your big boy clothes and get out of the basement, your mom is calling you upstairs for breakfast.


Awww someone wants to feel better about themselves
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