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Is Dustin Brown HOF Worthy

Created by: MitchMarnerElite
Initial Creation Date: Nov 27, 2019
Published: Nov 27, 2019 at 9:35
Team: 2019-20 Los Angeles Kings
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A Kings fan on social media suggested to me that Dustin Brown is a first ballot Hall Of Famer. Honestly, I think Brown is a really good player at what he does, he's a tough, physical power-forward who can grind in the dirty areas and generate puck possession. He can score goals and is effective in all situations. Has 2 cups, 1 silver medal and a Messier award for his leadership. However, I really don't think he's HOF worthy. This is a guy who's hit 30 goals and 60 points just once. He scores 0.55 points per game. To me, only the most exceptional players should get in, and his skill level and production just isn't enough.

If guys like Keith Tkachuk and Jeremy Roenick are not in, why should he?

What'd you guys think?
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LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
CGY
LAK
LAK
LAK
2021
LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
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LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
LAK
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LAK
Kovalchuk, Ilya
$6,250,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 2
LAK
Kopitar, Anze
$10,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
LAK
Brown, Dustin
$5,875,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
LAK
Kovalchuk, Ilya
$350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
LAK
Carter, Jeff
$5,272,727
C, RW
UFA - 3
LAK
Toffoli, Tyler
$4,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
LAK
Grundström, Carl
$925,000
LW
RFA - 1
LAK
Kempe, Adrian
$2,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
LAK
Wagner, Austin
$759,167
RW, LW
RFA - 1
LAK
Iafallo, Alex
$2,425,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
LAK
Lewis, Trevor
$2,000,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
LAK
Lizotte, Blake
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
LAK
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$800,000
LW
UFA - 1
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LAK
Forbort, Derek
$1,893,750
LD
UFA - 1
LAK
Doughty, Drew
$11,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 8
LAK
Quick, Jonathan
$5,800,000
G
UFA - 4
LAK
Hutton, Ben
$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
LAK
Martinez, Alec
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
LAK
Campbell, Jack
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
LAK
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UFA - 1
LAK
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UFA - 1

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Nov 27, 2019 at 9:39
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i dont think he meets the standards for HOF to be honest. he just seems to be an average player.
Nov 27, 2019 at 9:41
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Nope. He was a good NHL player, but zero chance he makes the HOF.
Nov 27, 2019 at 9:43
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absolutely not
Nov 27, 2019 at 9:44
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Quoting: johnston3504
i dont think he meets the standards for HOF to be honest. he just seems to be an average player.


I think an average top 6 winger.
Nov 27, 2019 at 9:45
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Quoting: johnston3504
i dont think he meets the standards for HOF to be honest. he just seems to be an average player.


Quoting: Tchuckycheese
absolutely not


Quoting: HabsForEver
Nope. He was a good NHL player, but zero chance he makes the HOF.


I agree he's not HOF worthy. Who would you say is better between John Tavares and Jeff Carter?
Nov 27, 2019 at 9:47
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Not close
Nov 27, 2019 at 9:47
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
I agree he's not HOF worthy. Who would you say is better between John Tavares and Jeff Carter?


Auston Matthews
Nov 27, 2019 at 10:04
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johnny t by far.
Nov 27, 2019 at 10:18
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Keith Tkachuk and Jeremy Roenick = 0 cups 0 personal awards
Brown is not a first ballot HoFer but i can see him getting in
Nov 27, 2019 at 10:20
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Keith Tkachuk and Jeremy Roenick = 0 cups 0 personal awards
Brown is not a first ballot HoFer but i can see him getting in


Roenick had 2 40 goal seasons and 2 50 goal seasons. Tkachuk won the Rocket in 1997.
Nov 27, 2019 at 10:23
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He's an LA Kings HOF'er but not an NHL HOF'er. Nothing he has done is deserving of being in the hall.
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Nov 27, 2019 at 10:27
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Tkachuk won the Rocket in 1997.


Umm no he didnt, the Rocket Richard trophy was first awarded in 98-99. Also Stanley Cup rings are the most influential award you can have, and Brown captained 2 cup teams
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:15
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You answered your own question well.

He's a decent player. Really good role player, but the HOF should be reserved for the best of the best. Dustin Brown isn't even a top 3 player on his own team.
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:16
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Quoting: F50marco
He's an LA Kings HOF'er but not an NHL HOF'er. Nothing he has done is deserving of being in the hall.


Agree with your first sentence, not your second.
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:17
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Agree with your first sentence, not your second.


What has he done to deserve it then?
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:21
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Umm no he didnt, the Rocket Richard trophy was first awarded in 98-99. Also Stanley Cup rings are the most influential award you can have, and Brown captained 2 cup teams


Tkachuk led the league in goals with 52 that season. Toews is more deserving to make the HOF than Brown.
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:21
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I'm a big Kings fan and a Dustin Brown fan, so I'm disqualified from saying whether he "should" be in the HoF. But I can opine on his chances, which I make somewhere from 25% to 33%. Leadership and Stanley Cup wins are impressive to HoF voters. My personal opinion is this: what about John Tonelli, who won FIVE Stanley Cups and played on the first or second lines of all of those teams? What about Ken Morrow, who in the same season won an Olympic gold medal for the USA and then began a four-year run of consecutive Stanley Cups? If they're not in, nobody with lesser credentials belongs there, either.
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:22
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Quoting: F50marco
What has he done to deserve it then?


He captained his team to 2 Stanley Cups.
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:24
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Quoting: F50marco
What has he done to deserve it then?


As Mikey says, captained two Stanley Cup winners. By the end of his career, will have played more games than quite a few guys that are in the HoF. Gave away the puck last game along the boards so that guaranteed HoFer Patrick Marleau could score the game-winner in overtime.
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:27
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I'm a big Kings fan and a Dustin Brown fan, so I'm disqualified from saying whether he "should" be in the HoF. But I can opine on his chances, which I make somewhere from 25% to 33%. Leadership and Stanley Cup wins are impressive to HoF voters. My personal opinion is this: what about John Tonelli, who won FIVE Stanley Cups and played on the first or second lines of all of those teams? What about Ken Morrow, who in the same season won an Olympic gold medal for the USA and then began a four-year run of consecutive Stanley Cups? If they're not in, nobody with lesser credentials belongs there, either.


You could make a good case for Patrick Sharp and Justin Williams as well. Top 6 players who've won several cups.
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:28
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
As Mikey says, captained two Stanley Cup winners. By the end of his career, will have played more games than quite a few guys that are in the HoF. Gave away the puck last game along the boards so that guaranteed HoFer Patrick Marleau could score the game-winner in overtime.


Is Marleau a guaranteed HOFer though?
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:43
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
He captained his team to 2 Stanley Cups.


Quoting: OldNYIfan
As Mikey says, captained two Stanley Cup winners. By the end of his career, will have played more games than quite a few guys that are in the HoF. Gave away the puck last game along the boards so that guaranteed HoFer Patrick Marleau could score the game-winner in overtime.


Has every player whose won two cups made it into the HOF? Has every captain that won a cup in the HOF? Is Brown the captain of the team now? Why isn't he the captain of the team now? Was he the one of the 3 top players on his team when they won the cup?

Then comes the most important aspect: Does he have enough to push out other players from the nominees list? Unless he happens to find himself in a year when there are virtually no spectacular players to choose from, doesn't happen very often, how could he knock someone else out?

He doesn't have to be good. He has to be better than the rest to get into the HOF. I don't see him beating out others based on winning a cup, which multiple players have done who are not in the HOF. Not being a captain of that team anymore despite being the captain previously and not having the numbers to suggest he was an elite player.

Would LAK have not won those cups if Kopitar was the captain instead? I don't see think so. I think LAK success had less to do with Brown's ability then it did the other aspects of their teams ability. Mainly the 3 other players o the team who are more deserving, Doughty, Kopitar and Quick. Not to mention another potential nominees in Gaborik, Justin Williams and Jeff Carter.
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:50
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Quoting: F50marco
Has every player whose won two cups made it into the HOF? Has every captain that won a cup in the HOF? Is Brown the captain of the team now? Why isn't he the captain of the team now? Was he the one of the 3 top players on his team when they won the cup?

Then comes the most important aspect: Does he have enough to push out other players from the nominees list? Unless he happens to find himself in a year when there are virtually no spectacular players to choose from, doesn't happen very often, how could he knock someone else out?

He doesn't have to be good. He has to be better than the rest to get into the HOF. I don't see him beating out others based on winning a cup, which multiple players have done who are not in the HOF. Not being a captain of that team anymore despite being the captain previously and not having the numbers to suggest he was an elite player.

Would LAK have not won those cups if Kopitar was the captain instead? I don't see think so. I think LAK success had less to do with Brown's ability then it did the other aspects of their teams ability. Mainly the 3 other players o the team who are more deserving, Doughty, Kopitar and Quick. Not to mention another potential nominees in Gaborik, Justin Williams and Jeff Carter.


I think you missed my point. My implied position is that if I had to cast an honest, objective vote, it would be No. I was responding to your contention that Brown has done absolutely nothing to deserve the HoF.
Nov 27, 2019 at 11:55
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I think you missed my point. My implied position is that if I had to cast an honest, objective vote, it would be No. I was responding to your contention that Brown has done absolutely nothing to deserve the HoF.


Lol didn't you kind of answer your own question then though? Maybe its semantics but if you feel he isn't worthy of being voted into the HOF than why would he deserve to be otherwise?

I think you may be thinking by me saying he is not worthy of being in the HOF that I think he is not a good player or something....quite the contrary. he's a good player, just not good enough to deserve to be in the HOF.
Nov 27, 2019 at 12:05
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Tkachuk led the league in goals with 52 that season. Toews is more deserving to make the HOF than Brown.


Toews has 3 cups so yes i agree, but Toews going in doesnt mean Brown couldnt. And I understand Tkatchuk lead the league, but their was no trophy so he didnt win anything
 
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