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Byfield and 19-20 deadline moves keep Athanasiou

Created by: Wingsfan09
Team: 2020-21 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 27, 2019
Published: Nov. 27, 2019
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What this team could look like next season if we draft 2nd overall and we do not move Athanasiou at the deadline.

This immediately fills our biggest need in another top six centermen. I have Byfield over Larkin here because ideally Larkin is probably your defensive minded center who you can put against McDavid and Crosby, but who can still put up 65 points a year. Byfield will hopefully be that true 1C we need who can put up 80+. In this scenario I moved Svechnikov for Jake Bean, a young LD who is putting up about the same numbers in the AHL as Seider, and he seems like they would be a good fit together. This is my opinion and it's pretty unlikely this actually happens, so when it doesn't just slot Svechnikov in on the 3rd line and either Hirose or Perlini gets moved or doesn't get signed. Kaski can come up from GR and play on that 3rd pairing. We sign Jacob Markstrom to four years, and when Bernier's deal is up, Larsson comes up and Markstrom mentors Larsson who eventually takes his role as starter. In the meantime we have a serviceable tandem of Markstrom and Bernier.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$5,750,000
7$7,000,000
3$3,500,000
5$5,000,000
1$1,000,000
1$700,000
1$700,000
1$700,000
1$1,000,000
1$925,000
1$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$4,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Byfield, Quinton
3$925,000
Green, Mike
1$5,325,000
Trades
1.
DET
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Helm, Darren ($1,925,000 retained)
2.
CAR
  1. Svechnikov, Evgeny [RFA Rights]
3.
DET
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (WPG)
  2. 2021 4th round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Green, Mike ($2,662,500 retained)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Darren Helm: $1,925,000 (50%)
  • Mike Green: $2,662,500 (50%)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$69,349,999$0$2,357,500$12,150,001

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Byfield, Quinton
$925,000$925,000
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
UFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
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UFA - 2
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$714,166$714,166 (Performance Bonus$157,500$158K)
RD
RFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 6
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167
RD
RFA - 4
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$894,166$894,166
LD
RFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$6,083,333$6,083,333
C
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
C, LW
UFA
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3

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Nov. 27, 2019 at 5:03 p.m.
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Looks like a pretty sound idea to me.
Nov. 27, 2019 at 5:12 p.m.
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A few things, but they aren't completely egregious to the point where it ruins this AGM (which I think you did a pretty good job of tbh)

First being, I agree with the deployment idea of the Larkin/Byfeild lines, but for posterity's sake the Byfield line MUST be the second line if Quinton is to ever truly develop and succeed at the NHL level. He has the obvious size and skill, but adjusting to a top-line pace at this level will take time. Larkin's unit needs to eat the heavy matchups, and it's likely that for the early part of the season that the Byfeild line is splitting time with the Rasmussen line until their feet are realy underneath them.

Carolina and Markstrom will want more (probably a 3rd Round Pick and $2M respectively), but those are clearly something the Red Wings can afford at this stage in the game. Carolina might not even have a lot of interest in moving Bean, but if they do, it would be best to capitalize on that by paying their price. I'd flip Nemeth and Seider too based on the game Bean plays and giving Seider sheltered minutes to adapt to NHL speeds before promoting him.

This summer - ESPECIALLY if Detroit lands Byfeild at the draft - is the year to buy Abdelkader out. Because Detroit still has some of their top rookies ELC's in effect (Seider's slides this season IIRC, so he'll have 3 years left next year), they should use those years of savings to absorb the maximum from a JA buyout. Such a buyout peaks in Byfeild/Seider's second and third year (just over $2.3M). Even though his deal does expire by the time those two need to be resigned, it opens up an additional $2M in those two years that could be used to help fuel a playoff push or cushion the contracts of Bean, Cholowski, Hronek, Rasmussen, and Zadina.

I would do more to keep Fabbri around the $2M mark, and potentially look at keeping Bertuzzi on a cheaper but shorter deal. There's a fair bit of talent due for a payday within the next two years in Detroit (Bean, Hronek, and Zadina are gonna be expensive, don't forget that Larkin is due in 3 years time) and being able to ride hikes in the cap to pay for these players makes the job all the easier down the road.

I think there's reason to be optimistic in Detroit.
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Nov. 27, 2019 at 5:39 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
A few things, but they aren't completely egregious to the point where it ruins this AGM (which I think you did a pretty good job of tbh)

First being, I agree with the deployment idea of the Larkin/Byfeild lines, but for posterity's sake the Byfield line MUST be the second line if Quinton is to ever truly develop and succeed at the NHL level. He has the obvious size and skill, but adjusting to a top-line pace at this level will take time. Larkin's unit needs to eat the heavy matchups, and it's likely that for the early part of the season that the Byfeild line is splitting time with the Rasmussen line until their feet are realy underneath them.

Carolina and Markstrom will want more (probably a 3rd Round Pick and $2M respectively), but those are clearly something the Red Wings can afford at this stage in the game. Carolina might not even have a lot of interest in moving Bean, but if they do, it would be best to capitalize on that by paying their price. I'd flip Nemeth and Seider too based on the game Bean plays and giving Seider sheltered minutes to adapt to NHL speeds before promoting him.

This summer - ESPECIALLY if Detroit lands Byfeild at the draft - is the year to buy Abdelkader out. Because Detroit still has some of their top rookies ELC's in effect (Seider's slides this season IIRC, so he'll have 3 years left next year), they should use those years of savings to absorb the maximum from a JA buyout. Such a buyout peaks in Byfeild/Seider's second and third year (just over $2.3M). Even though his deal does expire by the time those two need to be resigned, it opens up an additional $2M in those two years that could be used to help fuel a playoff push or cushion the contracts of Bean, Cholowski, Hronek, Rasmussen, and Zadina.

I would do more to keep Fabbri around the $2M mark, and potentially look at keeping Bertuzzi on a cheaper but shorter deal. There's a fair bit of talent due for a payday within the next two years in Detroit (Bean, Hronek, and Zadina are gonna be expensive, don't forget that Larkin is due in 3 years time) and being able to ride hikes in the cap to pay for these players makes the job all the easier down the road.

I think there's reason to be optimistic in Detroit.


When I made this I was thinking the same thing for the Larkin/Byfield deployment. Obviously Byfield isn't stepping into his first NHL game from the OHL to the top line center role. I was just putting him up there to show that hopefully by the end of the year he will have seen some time up there, have gotten a feel for it, and eventually it should be his spot. Same thing with Seider, I'm putting him there to show his potential, where his talent should be able to take him given enough time.

I personally have no problem paying more for Markstrom, but once we start to go that high, we then have to decide on some other free agent goalies that could also be brought in to do the same role (Greiss, Lehner, etc.) so it's just about finding the best fit for the right price and term. We have plenty of cap space so it's not a problem at this point, as long as we don't go over four years. I think that's probably the maximum we want to sign any goalie.

I really don't know what would be fair for Bean, I put this out as kind of a feeler, something I think would benefit all parties. Carolina is loaded on the backend and have no real need for Bean, and what better team to send Svechnikov off to to try and jumpstart his career than his brothers. Again personally I have no issue with moving the 3rd to get Bean, or even someone like Erne or Perlini just to get the deal done.

If you didn't notice, I did buy out Nielsen in this scenario. I think he is the worse of the two bad contracts, Abdelkader is actually having a pretty decent year for his standards, and he gets hurt a lot so there is still a roster spot like %50 of the time. I think it is unlikely we buy out both contracts, but I think it will be one or the other this year. I just think Nielsen would be the better choice, as he has a measly one point through 25 games, and he takes the third line center role that will go to Rasmussen next year.

It's hard to judge exactly what Fabbri's contract will look like, because he's only been here for like 10 games so it's hard to know if he will keep his production at the current pace, but if he does he is worth more than $2M. However, it's unlikely he does, in which case it will drop closer to $2M. He is a top six, first unit powerplay winger on this team, so I still think it will be higher than $2M. Hard to tell this early. Bertuzzi is almost at a point per game pace, if he keeps this all the way through the end of the season I think $5.5M is the floor. If he gets 70+ points, I don't think $6M is that far away. Bertuzzi is 24 about to enter his prime, I would rather sign him long-term now, than in three years when he is 27 or 28, and get stuck with a bad contract when Bertuzzi is into his 30's. He plays a tough, grind type game that I don't envision being as successful when he is in his 30's than it is right now. Sign him long term until then, than the shorter deals when he's older. That's my philosophy, anyway.

We've got a lot of decisions to make, but I've got full trust that the guy we've got will make it happen. The sun will shine on us again.
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Nov. 27, 2019 at 5:40 p.m.
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I don't know why every one sees only AA at 5M on a 5 yrs deal. He is only 2 pts behind Larkin and he had a 12 game with no points. He is still classified as a 30goal scorer and he started this way last year. He will probably get there again. if he signs a 5M deal it would only be for 1 or 2yrs betting on himself to do better if he doesn't reach 30 goals this year. I would think AA and Mantha will get around the same money but slightly different years.

Also I wouldn't be surprised to see Veleno have a good rest of the year with GR and he will be 2C next year. AA-Veleno and Z should make a pretty good second line. I also think Detroit will probably end up picking 4th or 5th next draft
Nov. 27, 2019 at 5:55 p.m.
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I don't know why every one sees only AA at 5M on a 5 yrs deal. He is only 2 pts behind Larkin and he had a 12 game with no points. He is still classified as a 30goal scorer and he started this way last year. He will probably get there again. if he signs a 5M deal it would only be for 1 or 2yrs betting on himself to do better if he doesn't reach 30 goals this year. I would think AA and Mantha will get around the same money but slightly different years.

Also I wouldn't be surprised to see Veleno have a good rest of the year with GR and he will be 2C next year. AA-Veleno and Z should make a pretty good second line. I also think Detroit will probably end up picking 4th or 5th next draft


We are at the bottom of the league by a decent margin, have the worst goal differential in the league by almost 20 goals, and are at the bottom for shot attempts. We are the worst team in the league. I am fairly confident we will finish bottom two this year. I'm just betting on picking 1st or 2nd for the sake of these AGM's. Realistically you can sub in Raymond or Stutzle or Lundell or whoever in here as well, you may just have to shift guys around, but it will be basically the same team.

Athanasiou is not going to get close to $7M. He did get 30, yes, but he is on pace for 17 this year, and has only cracked 50 points once, with his second highest being 33 (Not counting this year). He may be higher than $5M, but he won't even get into $6M in my mind. Honestly I think he will be gone at the deadline anyways, and in most of my AGM's I trade him, but I made this one specifically to see how we would look with him in the lineup. But if we have to go $500,000 higher or whatever I'm ok with it, but if he wants more I would trade him. He's not worth that.

Veleno isn't exactly lighting it up in GR, so I think he will definitely end up staying another year from what I've seen at this point. Who knows though, when he gets his 9 games, if he plays really well and gets some points and comes in and has a strong camp, he may force his way on. But from everything we've seen so far, that doesn't look like the case. If we don't draft a center this year, if we end up getting Lafreniere or something, that 2C is his spot. It's just a matter of when he is ready.
Nov. 27, 2019 at 7:04 p.m.
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Bean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Svechnikov
Nov. 28, 2019 at 11:55 a.m.
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Bean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Svechnikov


Well to be fair neither of them has really had a shot at the NHL level. So it's hard to say at this point. But if we have to pay a little more to get Bean then so be it, it won't be anything significant.
Nov. 28, 2019 at 12:45 p.m.
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Well to be fair neither of them has really had a shot at the NHL level. So it's hard to say at this point. But if we have to pay a little more to get Bean then so be it, it won't be anything significant.


A 2nd rd pick is significant IMO
Nov. 28, 2019 at 2:16 p.m.
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A 2nd rd pick is significant IMO


He's not worth Svechnikov and a 2nd so that won't happen
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