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Trading Jeff Petry to Anaheim for Futures

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Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 28, 2019
Published: Nov. 29, 2019
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Marc Bergevin might make the hard decision that Montreal simply isn't going to make the playoffs this year, and also decide that Josh Brook will be ready for prime time next season. The Ducks take the risk that Petry will remain a top-4 defenseman this year and next and will stay healthy, too.

I'm analyzing this trade by comparing it to the Jake Muzzin trade. Two key factors have to be kept in mind:

1. In my opinion, Petry is more valuable than Muzzin.
2. However, the Maple Leafs got 2.5 seasons of Muzzin, whereas the Ducks would be getting only 1.5 seasons of Petry.

So, each trading team gets a first.
Each trading team gets a high-quality prospect.
The Canadiens get Jacob Larsson, a first-round pick who I think has proven he will be a viable NHL player, whereas the Kings got prospect Sean Durzi, yet to play a game in the NHL. I think that this discrepancy makes up for the difference between Petry and Muzzin.
The Ducks get a fourth-round pick to compensate for the earlier expiration of Petry's contract.

Your input will be appreciated and given the consideration it deserves.
Trades
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  2. Larsson, Jacob
  3. 2021 1st round pick (ANA)
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  2. 2020 4th round pick (ANA)
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 12:08 p.m.
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I think Comtois is more valuable than anything TOR gave up, and that 2021 ANA first is certainly much more valuable than a 2019 TOR first imo
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 12:13 p.m.
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that's a massive overpay for petry.

-I think Comtois is valued a lot more than Grundstrom is/was. Ducks aren't going to trade him for an older defensemen.
-Don't know anything about Larsson.
-The Ducks will probably be a bubble team next season, so they'd either like to retain their first for the draft or have some protection. Not sure they'd want to part with a first for Petry, unless Montreal adds a pick of their own.
Nov. 29, 2019 at 12:15 p.m.
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Take out Comtois and The 4th mtl is sending and it’s fair
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 12:28 p.m.
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0 interest in making that move, This is a win now move, a rebuilding/retooling team has 0 reason to make this
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 12:54 p.m.
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Lmao. Is that trade for jeff Petry or bobby orr?
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 12:57 p.m.
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Fair trade, but in no way is Josh Brook ready for the NHL. This would leave a massive hole in Montreal’s already struggling defense. While it’s fair value, I don’t think it makes sense for either team atm.
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 1:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Fair trade, but in no way is Josh Brook ready for the NHL. This would leave a massive hole in Montreal’s already struggling defense. While it’s fair value, I don’t think it makes sense for either team atm.


Lolz. Fair trade eh? 1.5 years of Petry for the Ducks top prospect, a 1st, and a 22 year old dman.

Absolutely no interest in making that deal.
Nov. 29, 2019 at 1:47 p.m.
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Lolz. Fair trade eh? 1.5 years of Petry for the Ducks top prospect, a 1st, and a 22 year old dman.

Absolutely no interest in making that deal.


The team isn't right, but on a contender I think the value is fair.

20-30 overall pick
A Prospect
b Prospect
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 2:39 p.m.
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Thought process is right but the follow through missed a couple important aspects which should help clarify a few things.

- Petry is older and more expensive than Muzzin at time of trade.
- I don't think there is sufficient data to support Muzzin is less good than Petry and vice versa for that matter but Muzzin does have cup experience and World cup experience/pedigree.
- If Petry was traded at this TDL, it would give Anaheim the same amount of time that Toronto had with Muzzin. Not more. Muzzin is a UFA after this year.
- Anaheim's 1st is likely a lower pick than what Toronto's was headed for that year and without protection in 2021, its too much of a gamble for Ana. Looking simply at odds, this pick is likely to be much better than Toronto's was destined to be.
- Anaheim isn't a team looking to go all in like Toronto was last year.

These are all factors that would either stop a trade like this from going through or change the complexion on the trade itself.

IF Habs were shopping Petry, IMO the team that would be most in on him would be Vegas. They need a solid true Righty D. They are going all in. They have a lot of picks and prospects. They have a good enough team to win. etc
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
I think Comtois is more valuable than anything TOR gave up, and that 2021 ANA first is certainly much more valuable than a 2019 TOR first imo


Fair opinions. To which I would reply, Comtois hasn't proven he's better than Grundstrom or Bjornfot yet, Comtois is not essential with Tracey (and Lundestrom, who can play LW) signed and Jones in the NHL, and with Petry on the team and Manson returning for a full season, that 2021 first may be lower than #25. But of course there's a risk in all of this speculation.
Nov. 29, 2019 at 2:45 p.m.
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0 interest in making that move, This is a win now move, a rebuilding/retooling team has 0 reason to make this


Where are we "rebuilding/retooling"? Forward? No. Left defense? No. Goal? No. Only place we need help is RD. What's better: Petry now and next season, or the guys we're going to draft next June, who won't be ready until 2021-2022 at the earliest?
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: tsyls
Take out Comtois and The 4th mtl is sending and it’s fair


You know, this was my initial inclination when I saw the earlier version of this trade (suggested by someone else). Despite the negatives from my Anaheim colleagues, I still like the idea of acquiring Petry (I'm just trying to figure out the proper cost), but I think that the real opposition comes from the Montreal side, because as @Kotkaniemi15 says, it would seriously weaken Montreal at RD for this and next season (and eliminate any chance the Canadiens have of re-signing Petry, if they wanted to).
Nov. 29, 2019 at 2:52 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Thought process is right but the follow through missed a couple important aspects which should help clarify a few things.

- Petry is older and more expensive than Muzzin at time of trade.
- I don't think there is sufficient data to support Muzzin is less good than Petry and vice versa for that matter but Muzzin does have cup experience and World cup experience/pedigree.
- If Petry was traded at this TDL, it would give Anaheim the same amount of time that Toronto had with Muzzin. Not more. Muzzin is a UFA after this year.
- Anaheim's 1st is likely a lower pick than what Toronto's was headed for that year and without protection in 2021, its too much of a gamble for Ana. Looking simply at odds, this pick is likely to be much better than Toronto's was destined to be.
- Anaheim isn't a team looking to go all in like Toronto was last year.

These are all factors that would either stop a trade like this from going through or change the complexion on the trade itself.

IF Habs were shopping Petry, IMO the team that would be most in on him would be Vegas. They need a solid true Righty D. They are going all in. They have a lot of picks and prospects. They have a good enough team to win. etc


Thanks for this, especially the correction of my erroneous belief that Toronto acquired Muzzin in the 2017-2018 season and thus had him for that year plus the next two seasons.
Nov. 29, 2019 at 2:54 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Where are we "rebuilding/retooling"? Forward? No. Left defense? No. Goal? No. Only place we need help is RD. What's better: Petry now and next season, or the guys we're going to draft next June, who won't be ready until 2021-2022 at the earliest?


For sure, but I don't think giving up a 1st and 2 top prospects for 1.5 years of a 31 year old is the absolute answer to our RHD issue.

If you're giving up that much, I think you find someone younger and with more years of control left.
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 3:01 p.m.
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Where are we "rebuilding/retooling"? Forward? No. Left defense? No. Goal? No. Only place we need help is RD. What's better: Petry now and next season, or the guys we're going to draft next June, who won't be ready until 2021-2022 at the earliest?


Acquiring a 31 YO doesn’t fix our issue past next season, giving up this significant of a package we could get someone in the mold of a Damon Severson that is top 4 now and can grow with this roster.

I wouldn’t be against adding Petry but not at this cost
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 3:52 p.m.
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I posted almost the identical trade a few nights ago and got generally trashed for the idea (my version was Petry+Lekhonen for Comtois+1st rounder)

From my point of view, Anaheim still looks like a pretty competitive team on paper, rather than a rebuilding team. They've got a solid top end defense in their mid to late 20's (Manson, Lindholm, Fowler), a great goalie in Gibson, and some very good top 6 forwards (Rakell, Henrique, Silverberg, etc.) as well as an aging but still effective Getzlaf at center.

It seems to me like a trade that generally helps both teams, perhaps with some extra secondary pieces/picks exchanged for balance.

But there are lots of good opinions above - if the centerpiece is a 32-year old defenseman in Petry, maybe there's just too much risk and not enough value for the Ducks.
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 4:42 p.m.
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For sure, but I don't think giving up a 1st and 2 top prospects for 1.5 years of a 31 year old is the absolute answer to our RHD issue.

If you're giving up that much, I think you find someone younger and with more years of control left.


Yes, as I look at the proposed trade and comments it's engendered, I think I'm overvaluing Petry -- by perhaps a lot -- but I think the idea is sound. Larsson and a first for Petry, even Comtois and a first for Petry, I can live with and think would help the Ducks this year and next.
Nov. 29, 2019 at 4:42 p.m.
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Acquiring a 31 YO doesn’t fix our issue past next season, giving up this significant of a package we could get someone in the mold of a Damon Severson that is top 4 now and can grow with this roster.

I wouldn’t be against adding Petry but not at this cost


Agreed. Everyone has persuaded me that the proposed trade is too much.
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 5:35 p.m.
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I posted almost the identical trade a few nights ago and got generally trashed for the idea (my version was Petry+Lekhonen for Comtois+1st rounder)

From my point of view, Anaheim still looks like a pretty competitive team on paper, rather than a rebuilding team. They've got a solid top end defense in their mid to late 20's (Manson, Lindholm, Fowler), a great goalie in Gibson, and some very good top 6 forwards (Rakell, Henrique, Silverberg, etc.) as well as an aging but still effective Getzlaf at center.

It seems to me like a trade that generally helps both teams, perhaps with some extra secondary pieces/picks exchanged for balance.

But there are lots of good opinions above - if the centerpiece is a 32-year old defenseman in Petry, maybe there's just too much risk and not enough value for the Ducks.


Yes, I got this idea from you, and still think that the premise is viable. I thought at the time (and still do) that Lehkonen isn't necessary, and was trying to construct a trade that benefits both teams equally, but I think I went overboard on value to the Canadiens, and still am not convinced that even so, it's a good idea for Montreal. What struck me then, and strikes me now, is that no Montreal guys objected to your trade and only @Kotkaniemi15 objected to mine.
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Nov. 29, 2019 at 6:22 p.m.
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I don't have an opinion on the trade, but Toronto only got 1.5 years of Muzzin when they traded for him last season. He will be a free agent this summer.
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I don't have an opinion on the trade, but Toronto only got 1.5 years of Muzzin when they traded for him last season. He will be a free agent this summer.


Yeah, I mis-read the chart.

I think the consensus is Petry for Larsson plus a first and maybe a throw-in is right. Comtois and a first is too much, as is Comtois, Larsson and a second.
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