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Trade Johnsson

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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 1, 2019
Published: Dec. 1, 2019
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I have a feeling that dubas is going to start looking for a trade with Johnsson involved. Soup and envgall have impressed and I wouldn’t be opposed to trying one of them with Matthews and nylander.

Any other parts we can add?
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Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:27 p.m.
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Any reason to think that Murphy is any better than Ceci....who certainly hasn't been the Leafs worse RHD this season. Like the extra two years on Murphy's contract.
It's more a Johnsson for Murphy trade for on ice value and contract, then the trade of two expiring contracts, Ceci for Crawford.
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Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:29 p.m.
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Yeah, Leafs would have to add to this quite a bit. Crow with 50% gets Johnsson or very close to it. Murphy is a huge upgrade to Ceci and under contract at a very reasonable amount, plus the Hawks have no use for Ceci so that is actually negative value to have him coming back to the Hawks. You are looking at throwing in a 2nd rounder or B+ prospect. Think of it another way; Murphy for Kap is pretty even.
Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:31 p.m.
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Any reason to think that Murphy is any better than Ceci....who certainly hasn't been the Leafs worse RHD this season. Like the extra two years on Murphy's contract.
It's more a Johnsson for Murphy trade for on ice value and contract, then the trade of two expiring contracts, Ceci for Crawford.


Murphy is hands down better then Ceci. Not that Ceci is horrible but he's not worth more then a 3rd pairing and is a very expensive one at that. Murphy is a first pairing on the Leafs and on a very attractive contract to any team as a extremely good 2nd pairing. Murphy is one of the most underrated players in the NHL.
Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:33 p.m.
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Edited Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:44 p.m.
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Yeah, Leafs would have to add to this quite a bit. Crow with 50% gets Johnsson or very close to it. Murphy is a huge upgrade to Ceci and under contract at a very reasonable amount, plus the Hawks have no use for Ceci so that is actually negative value to have him coming back to the Hawks. You are looking at throwing in a 2nd rounder or B+ prospect.


no it doesn't. a young skilled winger locked up to term is worth more than an expiring contract of a 34 y/o goalie, even with retention. its more Ceci on an expiring deal, who has actually been alright this year, for an expiring Crawford, which I'll admit is in the favour of the leafs, but then Johnsson>Murphy so it balances.
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Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:36 p.m.
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no it doesn't. a young skilled winger locked up to term is worth more than an expiring contract of a 34 y/o goalie, even with retention. its more Ceci on an expiring deal, who has actually been alright this year, for an expiring Crawford, which I'll admit is in the favour of the hawks, but then Johnsson>Murphy so it balances.


You're on drugs if you think Ceci is more valuable then Crow....the conversation stops here if you believe that.
Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:40 p.m.
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no it doesn't. a young skilled winger locked up to term is worth more than an expiring contract of a 34 y/o goalie, even with retention. its more Ceci on an expiring deal, who has actually been alright this year, for an expiring Crawford, which I'll admit is in the favour of the hawks, but then Johnsson>Murphy so it balances.


Virtually any trade on CapFriendly for Ceci is viewed by the uninformed that he just a cap dump, which by his play this year, he isn't a cap dump. Plus any RHD is being traded to the Leafs is viewed as Norris candidate and by far would be the Leafs best Dman. Two points in 13 games and plus one, doesn't scream # 1 Dmen on many teams. Actually the trade suggested is quite fair. Gotta believe the Hawks will wait to see where they are in the standings before they decide on whether they trade a goalie. Plus they might try to get a better deal for a goalie from a desperate team.
Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:43 p.m.
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You're on drugs if you think Ceci is more valuable then Crow....the conversation stops here if you believe that.


I meant in favour of the leafs on that one.... I mis-typed. The way I see it, crow>Ceci, Johnsson>Murphy, and it balances out
Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:45 p.m.
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I meant in favour of the leafs on that one.... I mis-typed. The way I see it, crow>Ceci, Johnsson>Murphy, and it balances out


No, Murphy is worth more then Johnsson which is what's broke. It would have to be Kap = Murphy, Crow is worth a 1st or 2nd at the TDL, Ceci is not worth close to that so you would need to bridge the gap there.
Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:48 p.m.
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No, Murphy is worth more then Johnsson which is what's broke. It would have to be Kap = Murphy, Crow is worth a 1st or 2nd at the TDL, Ceci is not worth close to that so you would need to bridge the gap there.


well I guess we just disagree... I would think it'd take Murphy and a third to get Johnsson, and it'd take a second at best to get Crow on an expiring deal- Ceci is worth a third despite what people who like to blame everything on one player might say, plus another 3rd, makes up the value of that second. its fairly close to even
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Dec. 1, 2019 at 1:58 p.m.
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well I guess we just disagree... I would think it'd take Murphy and a third to get Johnsson, and it'd take a second at best to get Crow on an expiring deal- Ceci is worth a third despite what people who like to blame everything on one player might say, plus another 3rd, makes up the value of that second. its fairly close to even


Murphy is worth a 1st plus even a prospect or a 4th. This is very similar value to Kap's value. Johnsson, IMO, isn't worth as much as Kap. I think johnsson is worth a 2nd plus, but doubt it begins with a 1st.
Dec. 1, 2019 at 4:40 p.m.
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Murphy is hands down better then Ceci. Not that Ceci is horrible but he's not worth more then a 3rd pairing and is a very expensive one at that. Murphy is a first pairing on the Leafs and on a very attractive contract to any team as a extremely good 2nd pairing. Murphy is one of the most underrated players in the NHL.


I don't blame you since most people do not look at usage, but your comparison doesn't work here. Ceci has been paired against opponents' top lines every night (in fact, he's in the top five in the league for TOI against elite competition this year), whereas Murphy isn't trusted nearly as much in the same situation. The players aren't interchangeable. Murphy is a slight downgrade, couldn't fit the same role, although the benefit is the additional years. The simple solution here is: let's not do any trade.

Johnsson for Murphy would be the trade here, and it's at the advantage of Chicago.
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Dec. 1, 2019 at 4:45 p.m.
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Sont think Murphy is so much better if at all over Ceci to warrant moving Johnsson.

And if you think he is, keep Murphy in Chicago.
Not interested in Crawford right now.
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Dec. 1, 2019 at 4:48 p.m.
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I don't blame you since most people do not look at usage, but your comparison doesn't work here. Ceci has been paired against opponents' top lines every night (in fact, he's in the top five in the league for TOI against elite competition this year), whereas Murphy isn't trusted nearly as much in the same situation. The players aren't interchangeable. Murphy is a slight downgrade, couldn't fit the same role, although the benefit is the additional years. The simple solution here is: let's not do any trade.

Johnsson for Murphy would be the trade here, and it's at the advantage of Chicago.


You aren't looking at this correctly and to suggest Murphy being a downgrade tells me you don't know Murphy. Chicago has the advantage of switching up pairings a lot which Leafs don't as they are depleted on defense hence why a 3rd pairing like Ceci is on the Leafs first line. If that's not a telltale sign of how bad the leafs are defensively then I'm not sure what to tell you. Hawks have been pairing Murphy a lot with Maatta this season because Maatta is slower and not as strong on the boards. That said, the strongest pairing by a landslide has been Muprhy and Keith on the 1st line which the Hawks have rolled with quite a bit last year and this. Murphy statistically is also the Hawks strongest defender; better then Keith whom is a hell a lot better then Ceci, stronger then Seabs (Ceci is similar but quicker), stronger then Maatta and of course Gus.

Johnsson for Murphy is not in Chicago's favor...not close either which is why Chicago would not even discuss it. Chicago is not going to trade their best defender for a middle 6 winger, despite Johnsson playing top 6 on the Leafs, middle 6 wingers are not difficult to find in the NHL. Murphy's value is similar to Saad's value and Saad is flat out better then Johnsson and that's not close either.
Dec. 1, 2019 at 4:49 p.m.
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Sont think Murphy is so much better if at all over Ceci to warrant moving Johnsson.

And if you think he is, keep Murphy in Chicago.
Not interested in Crawford right now.


Agree, we will keep him as I've said before if Johnsson is the only offer from the Leafs. It's Kap for Murphy or nothing. Your guy's loss, we aren't making a run this year and our defense isn't as bad as the Leafs.
 
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