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Quit Dicking Around and Just Rebuild

Created by: HatterTParty
Team: 2019-20 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 1, 2019
Published: Dec. 1, 2019
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This thread is part future concerning and part revisionist history. Also, before before getting too much into it, Colliton is obviously fired.

Almost every trade is just accepting that the team is just bad and isn’t a modern nhl team in any sense. The other trades address a problem we have right now. And yes, my own bias.

Also, this way, the hawks go after a real center in the 2020 draft that is absolutely STACKED. You have two picks, one in the lottery, in the first round. You can actually focus on rebuilding the forward core. You got your future number one dman, you got boqvist who can be top two, joki who just fits as a top 4, and all of a sudden, clean breakouts are possible. Even regula looks exceptional in the OHL, even though he plays on a juggernaut. Beaudin is still there too will hopefully challenge for a spot.

This team finally starts to flow again. It doesn’t get clogged in our zone against SPEED. Nothing completely changes until toews is off his contract, cuz Kane still earns his. Youth needs to take over so bad. There just isn’t any drive left in this team.

It will take time for this team to be good again, but a) we’ve seen this in the past, b) success will do that, and c) over rewarding players with ridiculous contracts always kill a team’s future. Lessons learned. I can handle losing as long as it has a purpose.

Can you tell I’m pissed about Colorado? That’s without byram folks.
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Seabrook, Brent
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (CHI)
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Seabrook provides a mentor and a still marginally capable body versus the lost cause of Eriksson. 3rd rounder hopefully is enough to put it over the top.
2.
COL
  1. Dach, Kirby
Additional Details:
Filling in a need of the present. Dach’s selling point in the draft was size for the playoffs. The way this team is built, we won’t see the playoffs for a few more years. Give em to Colorado who doesn’t even need byram.
3.
CHI
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
  2. 2020 4th round pick (MTL)
4.
CHI
  1. Dzingel, Ryan
  2. 2020 1st round pick (TOR)
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (BUF)
5.
CHI
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Saad, Brandon ($2,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Good two way forward with strength that can’t be pushed around. With Sheldon Keefe there now, wouldn’t be surprised if this is a no go.
6.
BUF
  1. Nylander, Alexander
Additional Details:
Because......LOGIC
7.
CHI
  1. 2021 6th round pick (BOS)
8.
CHI
  1. Boqvist, Jesper
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Määttä, Olli
Additional Details:
Serviceable, easily bought out, Adam’s bro.
Buyouts
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2021
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
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$5,538,462$5,538,462
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
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UFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
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RFA - 4
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
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Dec. 1, 2019 at 11:57 p.m.
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Dach for Rosen/O’Connor and a 2nd
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:08 a.m.
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Quoting: RichardAvs
Dach for Rosen/O’Connor and a 2nd


Yeah not a chance, he's the #3OA and playing a full rookie season.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:11 a.m.
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Lehner isn't getting back Dzingel too, a first and a 3rd is enough.

Seabs isn't going anywhere, I'd be absolutely shocked. I'd rather have Seabs anyway.

Buf isn't reversing that, they ran to the bank on that trade.

The rest is okay
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:13 a.m.
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Quoting: RichardAvs
Dach for Rosen/O’Connor and a 2nd


I can’t help but like this. ? I’m furious about this weekend but this actually helped.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:17 a.m.
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Yeah not a chance, he's the #3OA and playing a full rookie season.


But let’s be honest, it’s exactly like he should have. It’s like byram’s case. Byram is in the W not because he wasn’t good enough, but because the Avs didn’t need him now. The hawks, on the other hand, are so desperate that they needed him now and said screw any development with players his own age.

We are so screwed against Colorado for the next decade.......

I get the lehner/Dzingel problem, definitely okay with 1st and a 3rd. Buffalo trade is simply writing a wrong, just like the Avs trade. Purely correctional history.

As for seabs, I could care less. If the Eriksson trade doesn’t work, I’d buy him out, his dead cap hit is worth more than him in the modern nhl landscape. So either take the trade and prove your worth something somewhere else, or get the insult of a buy out and then prove your worth.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:19 a.m.
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Mtl is interested but would rather have Beaudin cause he is (so) french .
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:21 a.m.
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Mtl is interested but would rather have Beaudin cause he is (so) french .


Honestly, if bowman actually took byram and we didn’t trade beaudin, I’d be all for it.

How does beaudin and Gus for Suzuki and a 3rd? Or is Suzuki untouchable?
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:23 a.m.
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Quoting: HatterTParty
Honestly, if bowman actually took byram and we didn’t trade beaudin, I’d be all for it.

How does beaudin and Gus for poehling and a 3rd sound? Or is that too much?


No would be maybe even under a bit .. What's the deal on Gustafsson , why would you deal out a guys who just got 60 pts ? I don't know him enough but this sound like a good deal . We are in need atm and you look stacked .. We need a Lhd but why not 2 ? Poehling star have gone out of light a little but he is still a very interesting prospect that need to get a few professional years under the belt .
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:31 a.m.
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No would be maybe even under a bit .. What's the deal on Gustafsson , why would you deal out a guys who just got 60 pts ? I don't know him enough but this sound like a good deal . We are in need atm and you look stacked .. We need a Lhd but why not 2 ? Poehling star have gone out of light a little but he is still a very interesting prospect that need to get a few professional years under the belt .


My bad, I noticed that right away, I meant Suzuki and a 2nd.

Also, Gus simply put just isn’t a dman. He’s terrible in his own zone and I have idea where to place his value contract wise. At this point hes already guaranteed to be traded this year.
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:35 a.m.
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My bad, I noticed that right away, I meant Suzuki and a 2nd.

Also, Gus simply put just isn’t a dman. He’s terrible in his own zone and I have idea where to place his value contract wise. At this point hes already guaranteed to be traded this year.


Then it's a big no sorry ! We are interested in Beaudin . A first lottery protected if you take Kulak contract .
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:35 a.m.
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Boston has more D men than they know what to do with. No thanks.

Saad would be their only interest. Cap space will prevent it.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:47 a.m.
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Boston has more D men than they know what to do with. No thanks.

Saad would be their only interest. Cap space will prevent it.


That’s fair, I shoulda just said koekkoek to who would actually take him.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:49 a.m.
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Then it's a big no sorry ! We are interested in Beaudin . A first lottery protected if you take Kulak contract .


Ehhh, honestly, at that point I’d just take my chances on beaudin.
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:53 a.m.
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Quoting: HatterTParty
Ehhh, honestly, at that point I’d just take my chances on beaudin.


Gustafsson ,Beaudin ,
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Honestly, if bowman actually took byram and we didn’t trade beaudin, I’d be all for it.

How does beaudin and Gus for Suzuki and a 3rd? Or is Suzuki untouchable?


Not untouchable but Beaudin just a late first rounder at this point . And Gustafsson isn't realiable apparently we hold enough of them .
Dec. 2, 2019 at 12:56 a.m.
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Benning for Nylander who adds what
Dec. 2, 2019 at 2:59 a.m.
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Yeah not a chance, he's the #3OA and playing a full rookie season.


Quoting: RichardAvs
Dach for Rosen/O’Connor and a 2nd


I know it goes without saying that the counter offer wouldn’t happen, but a question can be asked: Does it really matter that Dach is still around this season? Seriously, who cares! The hawks were straight up desperate. Not to take away from dach’s skill level, but him being here doesn’t say anything about his value. He should be in the W right now, but he was drafted by the wrong team. Avs take him, he’s easily in the W. Kings take him, sure he’s on the team probably, but only cuz they’re in as bad a shape as we are.

Sorry for the outburst, but Jesus people, dach being here isn’t a case of he should be, it’s a case of the hawks being desperate for something they didn’t need this season. I only hope it doesn’t **** with his head. He’s only good when he plays with fourth liners who push the play for and he does nothing with Kane and debrincat. Sure he needs time, but that shoulda been spent in the W. Hawks are just a mess, and yes, we really do suck right now.
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 8:00 a.m.
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I wouldn't have had any issues with Dach being in the WHL. I also like your analysis about keeping him on the bottom 6. Strome needs to come back, but Dach does seem to be playing better down that vs with Kane. That's not a knock on anyone...just need to look at where/how he's producing and developing. Stan's far from all knowing. He's also still learning about Dach and hopefully helping build this team for the future. I see were talking about Bowen Byram again...so let's also keep in mind that it's not like Byram's mopping the floor with people down there. Being sub ppg in the minors and allowing more goals than last year can't be how he drew up his season after the playoffs he had last year. I know it's not even half way through their season so far, but pretty clear regression both offensively and defensively. Not at all saying he'll end up being a bad player. I still think he'll be a fine NHLer...just trying to keep things in perspective.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:05 a.m.
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I wouldn't have had any issues with Dach being in the WHL. I also like your analysis about keeping him on the bottom 6. Strome needs to come back, but Dach does seem to be playing better down that vs with Kane. That's not a knock on anyone...just need to look at where/how he's producing and developing. Stan's far from all knowing. He's also still learning about Dach and hopefully helping build this team for the future. I see were talking about Bowen Byram again...so let's also keep in mind that it's not like Byram's mopping the floor with people down there. Being sub ppg in the minors and allowing more goals than last year can't be how he drew up his season after the playoffs he had last year. I know it's not even half way through their season so far, but pretty clear regression both offensively and defensively. Not at all saying he'll end up being a bad player. I still think he'll be a fine NHLer...just trying to keep things in perspective.


I agree with your analysis of byram, it has been a tougher season. However, the flip to that analysis is looking closer at the giants themselves. The giants team is not the same team as it was last year. Far worse and byram is their greatest asset by far. Teams go in knowing exactly who to shut down. Essentially, the giants are what dach’s blades were last year.

Where byram and dach truly differ though is their pro teams. Byram can step into the Avs and absolutely be fine and adapt at a nice pace. That speaks to their coaching and playing style, which gives artistic freedom to their dmen. Dach is on the opposite side of that spectrum. I said this way back at the draft, but another big reason I didn’t like dach is because he isn’t a “Blackhawks Type.” What I mean is that in the past 12 years, we haven’t had a guy like him and have almost avoided guys like him. Big and slower just wasn’t the mantra of the hawks way. So when we drafted him, all I thought was this kid is in the worst place to develop as a player. The playing style is terrible for him. The players around him don’t emphasize his playing style (save for the 4th line). Finally, the coach is just plain bad, and I imagine he’s even worse for a kid’s development.

Don’t forget, byram’s comparable was Keith. We need a number one dman and we need it fast. Much faster than we needed a new center (which he doesn’t even look like he can play). None of our d prospects project as a number one. Boqvist is closest and he’ll be top 2 hopefully. Dach is just in the wrong place at the worst time though.
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:14 a.m.
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Even though Gustafsson isn't worth that, I could see Montreal pay that out of desperation.
 
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