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Team: 2019-20 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 2, 2019
Published: Dec. 2, 2019
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Williams, Justin
1$700,000
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CAR
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NJD
  1. Kuokkanen, Janne
  2. McGinn, Brock
  3. 2020 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2020 3rd round pick (BUF)
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CAR
  1. 2020 4th round pick (MTL)
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CHI
  1. Mrázek, Petr
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (NYR)
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 9:06 a.m.
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Devils asking price is 1st and good young NHL ready D man. You have the 1st. No D nan.

I don’t see the Canes getting Hall without giving up Bean. There really is not another d man in your system that fits. And they should have enough teams to choose from that they will get what they want from somebody.

And i don’t see the Canes giving up Bean.

That being the case you’d have to blow them away with an offer that does not include Bean. This does not. It’s decent. But not what they are looking for.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 9:15 a.m.
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CHI isn't doing CAR any favors by taking Mrazek off your hands. Lehner's the right target for sure considering he's probably the best option out there and CHI (in my opinion) should be willing to trade him since they're all but out of it already. Mrazek plays in front of the best defense in the NHL and still only plays mediocre to subpar hockey. He brings negative value to the Hawks considering he's still signed through next year. CHI can retain on Lehner if desired, but any trade for Lehner starts with a 1st rounder.

I'm not really sure CAR should go for Hall. They have good wingers already no? Maybe a little more grit to go against BOS?
Dec. 2, 2019 at 9:30 a.m.
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I'd imagine the Devils would rather receive a 1st rounder that isn't top 10 protected
Dec. 2, 2019 at 9:48 a.m.
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I'd imagine the Devils would rather receive a 1st rounder that isn't top 10 protected


You think it matters right now? Toronto look like they did in 2004, they're gonna be a playoff team, they won't be bottom 10 pick
Dec. 2, 2019 at 9:49 a.m.
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CHI isn't doing CAR any favors by taking Mrazek off your hands. Lehner's the right target for sure considering he's probably the best option out there and CHI (in my opinion) should be willing to trade him since they're all but out of it already. Mrazek plays in front of the best defense in the NHL and still only plays mediocre to subpar hockey. He brings negative value to the Hawks considering he's still signed through next year. CHI can retain on Lehner if desired, but any trade for Lehner starts with a 1st rounder.

I'm not really sure CAR should go for Hall. They have good wingers already no? Maybe a little more grit to go against BOS?


Mrazek played great hockey down the stretch last year, you can swap him for Reimer if you'd prefer, Reimer's been great recently, it doesn't matter. Lehner is a free agent after this year, no one is giving up a 1st to get him unless he comes with an extension
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 9:50 a.m.
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Devils asking price is 1st and good young NHL ready D man. You have the 1st. No D nan.

I don’t see the Canes getting Hall without giving up Bean. There really is not another d man in your system that fits. And they should have enough teams to choose from that they will get what they want from somebody.

And i don’t see the Canes giving up Bean.

That being the case you’d have to blow them away with an offer that does not include Bean. This does not. It’s decent. But not what they are looking for.


Haydn fits that description perfectly, or Priskie, or McKeown. You could throw in Fleury to this deal because Bean isn't NHL ready so you're going against your own point by saying that, or you could ignore the Edmundson to MTL deal and send him to New Jersey with this package. Bean is a prospedct, he's in his 2nd year in the Pro's, he's a long way from being NHL ready
Dec. 2, 2019 at 9:58 a.m.
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Mrazek played great hockey down the stretch last year, you can swap him for Reimer if you'd prefer, Reimer's been great recently, it doesn't matter. Lehner is a free agent after this year, no one is giving up a 1st to get him unless he comes with an extension


Teams give 1st rounders LITERALLY every year. Some come with extensions and some don't...like Duchene or Hayes or Muzzin or Tatar or Stastny or Hartman or Nash or Brassard...just in the last 2 years.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:12 a.m.
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Montreal rejects. No need to Joel Edmunston
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:13 a.m.
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Haydn fits that description perfectly, or Priskie, or McKeown. You could throw in Fleury to this deal because Bean isn't NHL ready so you're going against your own point by saying that, or you could ignore the Edmundson to MTL deal and send him to New Jersey with this package. Bean is a prospedct, he's in his 2nd year in the Pro's, he's a long way from being NHL ready


Bean is NHL ready and the other names you mentioned don’t move the needle.

Fleury has been a disappointment, McKeown does not project to be more than a 4/5. Priskie is not NHL ready and likely behind the previous 2 in terms of value. So no.

As i have said all along he ends likely up in Colorado for 1st/Timmins. It’s a good fit for both teams.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 2:16 p.m.
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Bean is NHL ready and the other names you mentioned don’t move the needle.

Fleury has been a disappointment, McKeown does not project to be more than a 4/5. Priskie is not NHL ready and likely behind the previous 2 in terms of value. So no.

As i have said all along he ends likely up in Colorado for 1st/Timmins. It’s a good fit for both teams.


Bean is not NHL ready, you are deluding yourself into thinking he is. If he was he'd be in the NHL, but he is not. He's not even Charlotte's best D man

Fleury has been a lot better this season, McKeown projects to be a 2nd pairing RD man, Priskie is more NHL ready than bean. So yes
Dec. 2, 2019 at 2:16 p.m.
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Montreal rejects. No need to Joel Edmunston


Ah right your D has been so great over this losing streak!
Dec. 2, 2019 at 2:18 p.m.
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Teams give 1st rounders LITERALLY every year. Some come with extensions and some don't...like Duchene or Hayes or Muzzin or Tatar or Stastny or Hartman or Nash or Brassard...just in the last 2 years.


None of those guys are as inconsistent as Lehner. Duchene is a 1C, Hayes was an overpay. Muzzin came with an extra year, Stastny was in division, Hartman was an overpay, Nash was an ELITE talent and Brassard was with retention from an expansion team. No goalie gets traded for a 1st rounder
Dec. 2, 2019 at 2:20 p.m.
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Ah right your D has been so great over this losing streak!


Nothing like adding another #6 guy
Dec. 2, 2019 at 2:23 p.m.
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None of those guys are as inconsistent as Lehner. Duchene is a 1C, Hayes was an overpay. Muzzin came with an extra year, Stastny was in division, Hartman was an overpay, Nash was an ELITE talent and Brassard was with retention from an expansion team. No goalie gets traded for a 1st rounder


And you're trying to shove Mrazek down CHI's throat! It would take more than a 1st if you're forcing that 2nd year of Mrazek on us. I'd much rather retain half of Lehner.
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 5:03 p.m.
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And you're trying to shove Mrazek down CHI's throat! It would take more than a 1st if you're forcing that 2nd year of Mrazek on us. I'd much rather retain half of Lehner.


You say that like Mrazek is a bad goalie. He's got 2 shut outs this year. You're delusional bud, I don't know what to tell ya.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 5:04 p.m.
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Nothing like adding another #6 guy


Edmundson has been playing top 4 in Carolina, not a number 6 guy!
Dec. 2, 2019 at 5:38 p.m.
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You say that like Mrazek is a bad goalie. He's got 2 shut outs this year. You're delusional bud, I don't know what to tell ya.


2 shutouts...against LA and CHI...if my memory serves me right. Big deal! He's NOT good. Finding a goalie is an absolute must if CAR wants to be a true contender.
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 11:56 p.m.
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Bean is not NHL ready, you are deluding yourself into thinking he is. If he was he'd be in the NHL, but he is not. He's not even Charlotte's best D man

Fleury has been a lot better this season, McKeown projects to be a 2nd pairing RD man, Priskie is more NHL ready than bean. So yes


He is, just no room for him. And no need. Boston has same problem with 3 LHD in AHL all ready, and no place to put them.

Fleury is still rough, partly why he only gets 11 minutes a night. Priskie is nowhere near ready defensively. McKeown projects as low end 2nd high end 3rd pairing. A 4/5...as i said. No interest to Devils as anything more than an extra in the deal. Does not get it done. Bean would be their only interest.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 12:19 a.m.
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You say that like Mrazek is a bad goalie. He's got 2 shut outs this year. You're delusional bud, I don't know what to tell ya.


He sucks. He had a great 15 game stretch last year. He had a similar great stretch his rookie year in Detroit. Beyond that he’s been terrible for rest of his career.

And for the record Varlamov was traded for a #1 at one point. So the comment that no goalie gets traded for a #1 is a fallacy. Hell Lehner was traded for a 1st before. Goalies don’t cary the value they should. But Grubbauer went for a 2nd and he was a career backup.
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Dec. 3, 2019 at 8:36 a.m.
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He is, just no room for him. And no need. Boston has same problem with 3 LHD in AHL all ready, and no place to put them.

Fleury is still rough, partly why he only gets 11 minutes a night. Priskie is nowhere near ready defensively. McKeown projects as low end 2nd high end 3rd pairing. A 4/5...as i said. No interest to Devils as anything more than an extra in the deal. Does not get it done. Bean would be their only interest.


Piskie is more NHL ready than Bean is. That's just a fact. Priskie's defensive liabilities are far smaller than Bean's.
Fleury's been better this year, and he's forced himself into the conversation on the best blueline in hockey (yes it's the best don't even). Fleury would be of greater interest to NJD because he is NHL Ready.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 8:38 a.m.
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He sucks. He had a great 15 game stretch last year. He had a similar great stretch his rookie year in Detroit. Beyond that he’s been terrible for rest of his career.

And for the record Varlamov was traded for a #1 at one point. So the comment that no goalie gets traded for a #1 is a fallacy. Hell Lehner was traded for a 1st before. Goalies don’t cary the value they should. But Grubbauer went for a 2nd and he was a career backup.


Grubauer was also used to dump Orpik's contract. Varlamov and Lehner were traded for firsts what 5 years ago? More for Varly? You can't use a sale's price of 5 years ago for today. Goalies don't move as often and Lehner is incredibly unlikely to move is a fair argument, but using outdated sale prices is laughable
Dec. 3, 2019 at 8:39 a.m.
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2 shutouts...against LA and CHI...if my memory serves me right. Big deal! He's NOT good. Finding a goalie is an absolute must if CAR wants to be a true contender.


So he "only" shut out Patrick Kane, Toews, Debrincat, Strome, Kopitar, Kovalchuck, Carter, Doughty, Keith/ etc? Nice! He literally outdueled Lehner!
Dec. 3, 2019 at 8:59 a.m.
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You're bragging about beating the two worst teams in the west and shutting out the 2nd and 4th worst scoring teams in the west. You're so lost it's unbelievable. Keep drinking that Kool-Aid!
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Dec. 3, 2019 at 9:08 a.m.
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Grubauer was also used to dump Orpik's contract. Varlamov and Lehner were traded for firsts what 5 years ago? More for Varly? You can't use a sale's price of 5 years ago for today. Goalies don't move as often and Lehner is incredibly unlikely to move is a fair argument, but using outdated sale prices is laughable


They used the trade of Grubby to dump Orpik. It actually brought Grubby cost down by taking Orpik. Most figured he was going for a pair of 2nds or 2nd and 3rd. Caps cut the price so they could dump Orpik in the deal.

How often do premium goalies get traded? It’s rare. You are not going to have a lot of recent history because it’s rare. Martin Jones went for 1st and Kuraly. If Hawks trade Lehner they will likely be looking for a 1st or 2nd and a prospect especially if they are taking back a 3m backup and/or retaining. He’s been top 5 in pretty much every goalie metric for 2 years running.

Canes gaping hole is in net. Mrazek is 46th in sv% at .901, 44th in QS% at .444. 46th in GSAA at -3.90. A goalie makes them a legit cup contender. Last year they were out of the playoff picture at All-star break as Mrazek was again in the 40-60 range in those categories, then he went nuts and they were the best team in the league for 6 weeks. That’s the difference between having a quality goalie like they did in that run, and low end backup acting as a #1 like the rest of the time. They need that quality #1. They have the means to do it. Would be a crime not to.
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Dec. 3, 2019 at 9:14 a.m.
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They used the trade of Grubby to dump Orpik. It actually brought Grubby cost down by taking Orpik. Most figured he was going for a pair of 2nds or 2nd and 3rd. Caps cut the price so they could dump Orpik in the deal.

How often do premium goalies get traded? It’s rare. You are not going to have a lot of recent history because it’s rare. Martin Jones went for 1st and Kuraly. If Hawks trade Lehner they will likely be looking for a 1st or 2nd and a prospect especially if they are taking back a 3m backup and/or retaining. He’s been top 5 in pretty much every goalie metric for 2 years running.

Canes gaping hole is in net. Mrazek is 46th in sv% at .901, 44th in QS% at .444. 46th in GSAA at -3.90. A goalie makes them a legit cup contender. Last year they were out of the playoff picture at All-star break as Mrazek was again in the 40-60 range in those categories, then he went nuts and they were the best team in the league for 6 weeks. That’s the difference between having a quality goalie like they did in that run, and low end backup acting as a #1 like the rest of the time. They need that quality #1. They have the means to do it. Would be a crime not to.


Actually, at the allstar break they were out of the playoff pickture because Darling couldn't stop a beachball. Mrazek was average all year long, it never fluctuated, he stayed in the 25-30 range for most of his stats, which put him in the average category. Mrazek isn't a world beater, he's just Meh, Lehner has proven he's good when he's behind a good defensive system like in New York with Trotz, and that's what makes him desirable right now. What he's doing in Chicago is impressive, but for a team with such a strong defensive unit, it's actually better if he can stay concentrated during games when he doesn't see a lot of shots.
 
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