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What Id pay for Hall

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So taylor hall has gotten 4 goals this year, 1 empty netter, 1 that bounced in with luck... jersey is severely over estimating the value of their former MVP who's come back after a significant injury... especially when you consider a the mark stone trade.

Mark stone cost an A level prospect and lesser prospect and a 2nd rd pick, why would anyone pay more than that for an injury prone Hall who's not doing well in his contract year, who's team has landed the 1st overall pick 5 times out of 8 or 9

And sakic doesnt resign him unless it's a sweetheart deal
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:24 a.m.
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I just dont think its enough, I think they might get a better offer
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:28 a.m.
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Not likely - it will probably cost the Avs either Bowen Byram and a pick or Timmins, mid-level prospect and a pick
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:28 a.m.
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I just dont think its enough, I think they might get a better offer


They could, but I dont think it comes from colorado, I'm just saying this is what I'd pay, I keep seeing trades on here where Jersey gets 2 firsts and 2 roster players or 2 top level prospects
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:29 a.m.
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Not likely - it will probably cost the Avs either Bowen Byram and a pick or Timmins, mid-level prospect and a pick


There is no way that they move byram, just silly to even think they would for a rental
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:30 a.m.
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So you're just going to ignore the past 4 seasons of Hall being great?

He's way underperforming is xGF rates and is shooting 4.5%, he'll get better as the season progresses
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:31 a.m.
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Quoting: Jfstompers
I just dont think its enough, I think they might get a better offer


I dont think the deal gets done but I see where jeff is going with this, most avs fans are on the same train of thought. Avs are a top offense right now with all their injuries (1st in goals per game, 2nd in goals differential at +22, second in team scoring (Goals For). Hall would make the roster better on paper but I dont think he adds much outside of just adding more to what is already a huge strength, depth scoring.

Avs dont need to trade for hall to be a cup contender, they already are very dangerous wiht all these injuries. How good will they be once they are healthy?
Devils need the Avs, or a team like the Avs to push all in for Hall in getting him extended via trade. But the options are probably very limited for the Devils to find a team that Hall wants to extend hall or has the cap space to extend him.

IMO Avs dont need to over spend on a hall rental or extended bc the price tag to get him via trade and to extend him in 10-11m range, is it really worth it?
If the deal is right for sure take a crack at trading and signing him like Jeff says, but there is 0 need for them to enter an arms race in year 1 of their 4 year mackinnon cup window, especially with how well balanced the team is when healthy
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:31 a.m.
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Not likely - it will probably cost the Avs either Bowen Byram and a pick or Timmins, mid-level prospect and a pick


there is 0% chance Byram is moved
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:33 a.m.
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They could, but I dont think it comes from colorado, I'm just saying this is what I'd pay, I keep seeing trades on here where Jersey gets 2 firsts and 2 roster players or 2 top level prospects


I think hes worth a 1st and a good prospect or player but I feel like someone is going to overpay. I dont love him as a player honestly. hes good but he isn't that guy who won the mvp 2 seasons ago.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:35 a.m.
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So you're just going to ignore the past 4 seasons of Hall being great?

He's way underperforming is xGF rates and is shooting 4.5%, he'll get better as the season progresses


It's taken into account, however so is the injury he sustained last year, that most people who watch him play claim hes not the same player as he was. So why trade away high picks and top prospects for Feb-apr of taylor hall, hoping he can regain his speed and all the while not get injured again? Has he ever played 82 games?
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:36 a.m.
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I dont think the deal gets done but I see where jeff is going with this, most avs fans are on the same train of thought. Avs are a top offense right now with all their injuries (1st in goals per game, 2nd in goals differential at +22, second in team scoring (Goals For). Hall would make the roster better on paper but I dont think he adds much outside of just adding more to what is already a huge strength, depth scoring.

Avs dont need to trade for hall to be a cup contender, they already are very dangerous wiht all these injuries. How good will they be once they are healthy?
Devils need the Avs, or a team like the Avs to push all in for Hall in getting him extended via trade. But the options are probably very limited for the Devils to find a team that Hall wants to extend hall or has the cap space to extend him.

IMO Avs dont need to over spend on a hall rental or extended bc the price tag to get him via trade and to extend him in 10-11m range, is it really worth it?
If the deal is right for sure take a crack at trading and signing him like Jeff says, but there is 0 need for them to enter an arms race in year 1 of their 4 year mackinnon cup window, especially with how well balanced the team is when healthy


I dont love the player as much as most do. I think that mvp season is his high spot and I wouldn't give him 11 million. hes a good winger , he'll be productive but I just dont see him being as a guy like panarin who was last years big winger
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:39 a.m.
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I think hes worth a 1st and a good prospect or player but I feel like someone is going to overpay. I dont love him as a player honestly. hes good but he isn't that guy who won the mvp 2 seasons ago.


I agree with you, which is why I would say colorado wouldnt offer that much, the buyers are in the drivers seat for now, hall isnt going to resign in jersey, and how many teams can afford to resign him next year? Until a full out bidding war happens hes not getting what jersey fans expect
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I dont love the player as much as most do. I think that mvp season is his high spot and I wouldn't give him 11 million. hes a good winger , he'll be productive but I just dont see him being as a guy like panarin who was last years big winger


hes a solid player, and I agree I dont love him or value him as highly as some of the people on this website. I just think its crazy that some people think it would cost Byram to get him, extend him at 11m just so he would be the 4th man behind Mack, Makar, and Mikko. Hes 28 and has some injury issues (granted has had some very healthy seaons prior to last lost season), giving him 11mx7-8 years is as scary as it comes.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:40 a.m.
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Quoting: JeffW
There is no way that they move byram, just silly to even think they would for a rental


I'd say a Hall for Byram deal is a lot more likely than a Hall for Jost deal.
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:41 a.m.
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I agree with you, which is why I would say colorado wouldnt offer that much, the buyers are in the drivers seat for now, hall isnt going to resign in jersey, and how many teams can afford to resign him next year? Until a full out bidding war happens hes not getting what jersey fans expect


the highest I would like them to go is Timmins and a 1st, after that I would be very hesitant bc Hall isnt a need, hes just a nice to have on this roster
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:42 a.m.
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I'd say a Hall for Byram deal is a lot more likely than a Hall for Jost deal.


Byram is considered one of the top prospects in the NHL, Sakic didnt put Makars name in any Karlsson trade talks, hes not going to put Byram in any Hall trade.

You are over valuing hall and under valuing Byram
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Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:47 a.m.
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Byram is considered one of the top prospects in the NHL, Sakic didnt put Makars name in any Karlsson trade talks, hes not going to put Byram in any Hall trade.

You are over valuing hall and under valuing Byram


I am not.

Name the last player with recent MVP credentials to be traded in-season....

The price for Hall is going to astronomical. If Colorado wants him, they will likely need to put up Byram or similar value.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:49 a.m.
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I am not.

Name the last player with recent MVP credentials to be traded in-season....

The price for Hall is going to astronomical. If Colorado wants him, they will likely need to put up Byram or similar value.


they he is going to walk away from NJ for nothing bc no team is going to trade a D prospect like Byram for a rental. Devils dont have the advantage in trade talks to demand that sort fo value and return, they know he is walking and he controls the only way they can get max value back....having him extend. And if he wants to go to UFA regardless, he puts the devils at a even greater disadvantage
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:50 a.m.
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I'd say a Hall for Byram deal is a lot more likely than a Hall for Jost deal.


I guarantee you its not
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:54 a.m.
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Cole + Kaut or Bowers + 1st + conditional pick
Dec. 2, 2019 at 10:57 a.m.
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I am not.

Name the last player with recent MVP credentials to be traded in-season....

The price for Hall is going to astronomical. If Colorado wants him, they will likely need to put up Byram or similar value.


As soon as shero says byram, the discussion is over.. hall comes in and takes donskoi's spot on line 2, you dont give away a future #1 defenseman for 30 games of an injury prone winger who's having a slow year... the point of this acgm is to show that hall would be nice in theory put you wouldnt want to shake the team up to much because they've been playing so well short 2 stars most of the season. You certainly dont sell your future for 1 cup run when you have a chance to be the penguins or blackhawks and go for several cups
Dec. 2, 2019 at 11:05 a.m.
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I guarantee you its not


There are professional hockey observers/reporters that have mentioned Byram-for-Hall or two firsts for Hall as what they cost would be.

Nobody has said Tyson Jost for Hall.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 11:06 a.m.
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What you will have to to get him: 1st/Timmins
Dec. 2, 2019 at 11:07 a.m.
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There are professional hockey observers/reporters that have mentioned Byram-for-Hall or two firsts for Hall as what they cost would be.

Nobody has said Tyson Jost for Hall.


Well until sakic says it, it's not going to happen.. hall would be a fun addition, but hes not worth breaking apart what Joe's built
Dec. 2, 2019 at 11:08 a.m.
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What you will have to to get him: 1st/Timmins


I still think timmins will be apart of the avs future since hes expansion exempt,

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Dec. 2, 2019 at 11:13 a.m.
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From a Avs blog site, and yes just one guys opinion:
https://www.milehighhockey.com/2019/12/1/20990055/should-the-colorad-avalanche-go-all-in-on-a-taylor-hall-trade
"If we’re talking a trade like the Stone one, it’s safe to assume the Devils would ask for Bowan Byram. The fourth overall selection in this past year’s draft is one of the better defensive prospects in the NHL and would be a guy who would fit in perfectly with New Jersey. A straight up one for one deal might make sense. It would be a tough pill to swallow but a trade the Avalanche might be willing to do given how strong their group of young defenders are. "

I personally think its a trade similar to Stone, in that Hall and Ferris are allowed to talk to the Flames/Avs/Habs of the world to see if there is something there. If Shero was looking at Hall I would hope that it would have a handshake signing before the trade. This goes against what the writer says later in the story BTW
I really believe Hall will not want to be a rental, that could go wrong for him too. He could get hurt and lose all the leverage. He wants to start winning asap, going to a team that limps in is not ideal. I think he and Shero have a good enough relationship where if he says I can't wait for Jersey to get its act together that Shero says let me work the best deal for both parties.
I want Hall here, only if he wants to be. If not get the largest return possible, and Shero has been good so far with that (save Grabner trade-because of Hall BTW!)
 
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