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what might washington be scheming

Created by: Wqrrior
Initial Creation Date: Dec 3, 2019
Published: Dec 3, 2019 at 12:33 am
Team: 2019-20 Washington Capitals
Trades
WSH
  1. Sörensen, Marcus ($750,000 retained)
SJS
  1. Boyd, Travis
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Vesey, Jimmy
  2. 2021 4th round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Pánik, Richard
Additional Details:
panik hasnt worked here at all
WSH
  1. Gauthier, Frédérik
  2. 2020 7th round pick (EDM)
TOR
  1. Copley, Pheonix ($150,000 retained)
WSH
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. Djoos, Christian
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Pheonix Copley: $150,000 (13.64%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
WSH
COL
ARI
NSH
WSH
WSH
WSH
EDM
2021
WSH
WSH
WSH
WSH
BUF
WSH
VGK
WSH
WSH
2022
WSH
WSH
WSH
WSH
WSH
WSH
WSH
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$80,689,294$1,150,000$632,500$810,706
Left WingCenterRight Wing
WSH
Ovechkin, Alex
$9,538,462
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
WSH
Bäckström, Nicklas
$6,700,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
WSH
Wilson, Tom
$5,166,666
RW
UFA - 5
WSH
Vrána, Jakub
$3,350,000
LW
RFA - 2
WSH
Kuznetsov, Evgeny
$7,800,000
C
NTC
UFA - 6
WSH
Oshie, T.J.
$5,750,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 6
SJS
Sörensen, Marcus
$750,000
LW
UFA - 2
WSH
Eller, Lars
$3,500,000
C
UFA - 4
BUF
Vesey, Jimmy
$2,275,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
WSH
Hagelin, Carl
$2,750,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
WSH
Hathaway, Garnet
$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
WSH
Dowd, Nic
$750,000
C
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
WSH
Kempný, Michal
$2,500,000
LD
UFA - 3
WSH
Carlson, John
$8,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 7
WSH
Holtby, Braden
$6,100,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
WSH
Orlov, Dmitry
$5,100,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
WSH
Jensen, Nick
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
WSH
Samsonov, Ilya
$925,000
G
RFA - 2
WSH
Siegenthaler, Jonas
$714,166
RD
RFA - 1
WSH
Gudas, Radko
$2,345,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
WSH
Leipsic, Brendan
$700,000
LW
RFA - 1

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Dec 3, 2019 at 12:35
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Djoos cleared waivers, he might worth a late pick, not a 3rd
Dec 3, 2019 at 12:38
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Wqrrior
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Quoting: GMs
Djoos cleared waivers, he might worth a late pick, not a 3rd


dont waiverwire players GAIN value after clearing? Because then if he doesn't work this year for NSH they can still send him down without the risk. Still willing to adjust if my reasoning is flawed.
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Dec 3, 2019 at 12:48
#3
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Boyd has been playing well since call-up and GMBM is very high on his flexibility. He's staying. Copley is staying too thru the Seattle expansion draft. The only likely guy traded above is Djoos. He didn't make the team this year, he struggled to get his groove back after that awful thigh injury last year, and he's expendable due to Alexeyev almost ready to crack the NHL.

So Djoos for a 3rd or 4th or a B prospect to NSH, TOR, or LA could happen (especially if those LA rumors are true they are trading Martinez soon).
Dec 3, 2019 at 12:52
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I don't know that it would be wise for WSH to tinker too much.
What they are doing is working.
I think right now they are the team to beat in the east. I think they run boston. That would be a nice match up to watch. Two teams that can be a bit nasty.
Dec 3, 2019 at 12:53
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Wqrrior
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Quoting: netminder71
Boyd has been playing well since call-up and GMBM is very high on his flexibility. He's staying. Copley is staying too thru the Seattle expansion draft. The only likely guy traded above is Djoos. He didn't make the team this year, he struggled to get his groove back after that awful thigh injury last year, and he's expendable due to Alexeyev almost ready to crack the NHL.

So Djoos for a 3rd or 4th or a B prospect to NSH, TOR, or LA could happen (especially if those LA rumors are true they are trading Martinez soon).


Do you think the idea of trading Panik this early is feasible or has a possibility to happen?
Dec 3, 2019 at 1:00
#6
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Do you think the idea of trading Panik this early is feasible or has a possibility to happen?


I would love to dump off 4 years of Panik, who as you've correctly assessed has not worked out in DC....But...they won't do that so early. Even though Boyd would flourish on the wing with Eller and Hags. Not gonna happen, can only hope he goes back on LTIR and they go on another 9 game unbeaten streak w/o him.
Dec 3, 2019 at 1:08
#7
Who adds what?
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Do you think the idea of trading Panik this early is feasible or has a possibility to happen?


He has two points in his last six games. Might be picking up a little bit?

It's tough because in top-six roles the last four seasons he's finished with at least 30 points a year. If another team values him based on that, he could absolutely be traded. But if they're focusing on what he's doing this year, they're more likely to notice the lack of production than the games when he's played really solid defensive hockey.
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Dec 3, 2019 at 1:35
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Sharks cant really aford to give up Sorenson right now, although the deals value is fine
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Dec 3, 2019 at 2:45
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Quoting: Wqrrior
dont waiverwire players GAIN value after clearing? Because then if he doesn't work this year for NSH they can still send him down without the risk. Still willing to adjust if my reasoning is flawed.


My guess is that if no one wants to take them for free then why would they be worth anything. It's the market setting the value for the player. That being said a lot of teams don't claim players because of a lack of cap space. Except that most players getting sent to the minors are usually under the $925,000 max cap hit to go into the minors without affecting the cap.
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Dec 3, 2019 at 10:40
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Quoting: Eli
He has two points in his last six games. Might be picking up a little bit?

It's tough because in top-six roles the last four seasons he's finished with at least 30 points a year. If another team values him based on that, he could absolutely be traded. But if they're focusing on what he's doing this year, they're more likely to notice the lack of production than the games when he's played really solid defensive hockey.


Exactly. Since coming back from LTIR, Panik's numbers (10 games, 2 goals, 17 SOG) have been in line with his career averages. He's getting back on track, but his track isn't eyepopping, it's just solid bottom 6 production. He's basically a more expensive Connolly, which isn't so bad, since Connolly was vastly underpaid here at $1.5x2, especially in that second year obviously.

Since he only got 750k more than Panik, it would have perhaps been nice to see a move to retain him instead though, maybe give him an extra year and pay him 3 mill per. However, I think he wanted to go elsewhere since he knew he would never get top 6 minutes here or PP time here with our current roster makeup, unless an injury occurred. The Caps are so tight on the cap as it is though, giving Connolly even 3 mill, and we can't re-sign Hagelin, or sign Hathaway possibly. Hathaway looks to be the new Connolly at 1.5 mill, perhaps not the scoring touch Conno had, but he's a furious grinder and forechecker with solid defense. So he brings a nastiness to the bottom 6 that Conno didn't have in exchange for some pure offensive ability.
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Dec 3, 2019 at 11:06
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Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
My guess is that if no one wants to take them for free then why would they be worth anything. It's the market setting the value for the player. That being said a lot of teams don't claim players because of a lack of cap space. Except that most players getting sent to the minors are usually under the $925,000 max cap hit to go into the minors without affecting the cap.


Exaclty. It's halfway logic, and halfway just groupthink based on misunderstanding what happens on the last day of summer. 18 teams still don't have enough projected cap space to claim Djoos
without losing someone else (https://www.capfriendly.com/). Six others are apparently rebuilding. That leaves seven teams trying to make the playoffs that had cap space to claim Djoos on the last day of summer.

Tampa and Montreal had each added a UFA defenseman late in the summer and were feeling pretty full. Colorado, NYI, and WInnipeg are pretty set on defense. Anaheim were set on defense before injuries piled up. Nashville is the only team that could afford Djoos, needed him, and passed on him. I'm not sure that should give them much of a discount, if they figure out that he could still help them.

More like what Warrior said:
Quoting: Wqrrior
dont waiverwire players GAIN value after clearing? Because then if he doesn't work this year for NSH they can still send him down without the risk. Still willing to adjust if my reasoning is flawed.


It's not how things worked before the cap, but from a practical standpoint, post-cap, a guy who slipped through the cracks when teams didn't have injury cap space to claim him has suddenly picked up waiver exemption for the year, so teams can build over the cap by adding him. At first when I read that I laughed, because it's so different from how things used to be, but a day later, I figured out it's exactly right.
 
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