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Dec. 3, 2019 at 10:05 a.m.
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I bet Barzal gets a lot more money than that. I think he's at the very least equal to Marner but being a centre he's probably more valuable. I bet he's going to get over 10 million even if its just a bridge. He's going to get paid.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 10:24 a.m.
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I bet Barzal gets a lot more money than that. I think he's at the very least equal to Marner but being a centre he's probably more valuable. I bet he's going to get over 10 million even if its just a bridge. He's going to get paid.


You think barzal is going to get 10 mill on a bridge for 2-3 years? That’s highly unlikely.

It will most likely be long term. It will either be 10 x 6, 10.5 x 7, or 11 x 8.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 10:39 a.m.
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You think barzal is going to get 10 mill on a bridge for 2-3 years? That’s highly unlikely.

It will most likely be long term. It will either be 10 x 6, 10.5 x 7, or 11 x 8.


Well at this point, he isn't signing until the end of the season and likely not until the new cap numbers come in. We'll see how well Lou handles a young core piece needing his first contract after an ELC. I'd be a little worried that all the rhetoric of him being such a good negotiator is going to spur him to be way too hard line. But who knows.

I'd hope for a long term deal if I were an Islanders fan. Those bridge deals signed last summer are so risky. If a player succeeds, his next deal is going to be insane, if he doesn't the QO is so high that for them it doesn't matter. A 2 year bridge for Barzal would come with a QO above 8.5 and likely higher than 9. Then his next deal will be massive. The Islanders are going to have some very difficult contract issues down the road.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 10:51 a.m.
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Well at this point, he isn't signing until the end of the season and likely not until the new cap numbers come in. We'll see how well Lou handles a young core piece needing his first contract after an ELC. I'd be a little worried that all the rhetoric of him being such a good negotiator is going to spur him to be way too hard line. But who knows.

I'd hope for a long term deal if I were an Islanders fan. Those bridge deals signed last summer are so risky. If a player succeeds, his next deal is going to be insane, if he doesn't the QO is so high that for them it doesn't matter. A 2 year bridge for Barzal would come with a QO above 8.5 and likely higher than 9. Then his next deal will be massive. The Islanders are going to have some very difficult contract issues down the road.


You don’t know that. Barzals agent and LL have already met to discuss a contract and LL said that Barzals contract will be long term, so there will be no bridge deal.

LL already gave Anthony beauvillier ( a core player) a 2 year bridge deal after his ELC, so there’s that.

Every good team will have contract issues. Luckily the islanders will have Noah Dobson and Oliver wahlstrom contributing at a high level on their ELC.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 10:56 a.m.
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You don’t know that. Barzals agent and LL have already met to discuss a contract and LL said that Barzals contract will be long term, so there will be no bridge deal.

LL already gave Anthony beauvillier ( a core player) a 2 year bridge deal after his ELC, so there’s that.

Every good team will have contract issues. Luckily the islanders will have Noah Dobson and Oliver wahlstrom contributing at a high level on their ELC.


And they also have a lot of guys in their late 20's with years of term still. I see a lot of potential problems coming there way. You aren't going to get these young players who will be taking over your team all signed to below market value contracts. Which is going to be tough to fit in when you have so many 4.5-7 million dollar players on your roster already.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 11:03 a.m.
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And they also have a lot of guys in their late 20's with years of term still. I see a lot of potential problems coming there way. You aren't going to get these young players who will be taking over your team all signed to below market value contracts. Which is going to be tough to fit in when you have so many 4.5-7 million dollar players on your roster already.


There’s a thing called a buyout and because of the amount of productive players the isles will have on ELC, it will not be a problem. By the time wahlstrom and Dobson ELC are up , ladd, komarov, clutterbuck, cizikas, boychuk contracts will all be up.



It’s not a concern right now and it won’t be for the next couple of years. This team is a contender right now and they’re not going away anytime soon.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 11:11 a.m.
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There’s a thing called a buyout and because of the amount of productive players the isles will have on ELC, it will not be a problem. By the time wahlstrom and Dobson ELC are up , ladd, komarov, clutterbuck, cizikas, boychuk contracts will all be up.



It’s not a concern right now and it won’t be for the next couple of years. This team is a contender right now and they’re not going away anytime soon.


I am not as confident in that assessment as you are. Buy outs still affect the cap and once those first round of bad contracts expire, you're going to be a in a situation where Eberle, Lee, Bailey and Nelson are all making over 5 million and will all be around 33 and up. James Neal is who those guys will turn into. Its extremely risky giving term to guys entering their 30's, a decline is coming and when it does it hurts. Only a handful of players escape a decline in their early 30's and almost all of those guys were elite to begin with. With the aforementioned group of guys making a lot of money on the Islanders with several years of term remaining, its going to be hard to fit what comes after those ELC's.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 11:49 a.m.
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I am not as confident in that assessment as you are. Buy outs still affect the cap and once those first round of bad contracts expire, you're going to be a in a situation where Eberle, Lee, Bailey and Nelson are all making over 5 million and will all be around 33 and up. James Neal is who those guys will turn into. Its extremely risky giving term to guys entering their 30's, a decline is coming and when it does it hurts. Only a handful of players escape a decline in their early 30's and almost all of those guys were elite to begin with. With the aforementioned group of guys making a lot of money on the Islanders with several years of term remaining, its going to be hard to fit what comes after those ELC's.


I have already ran the numbers and potential buyouts, cap increases. Lee will be the only player that becomes a problem contract down the line, but he needed to be signed this season. The islanders are essentially paying him because they believe this team can win a cup within the next 3-4 years - and without him, they’re not in the position they’re in right now. I can see him being bought out in 5 years.

Nelson has become a bargain for the islanders. 55-65 point player that has the best defensive impact on the team and can shut down opposing teams top players. His 6 year deal takes up his 28,29,30,31,32,33 seasons. He seems to be getting better with age, so assuming he’s producing at a similar pace for his 28,29,30,31 seasons, and let’s say he falls off a bit at his age 32 season to a 40-45 pt pace. That’s one season left at 6 mill, you don’t know what’s going to happen that far down the line - does he have enough value to be traded? What’s the cap number? Maybe the islanders have to give a pick or a prospect in a trade. Who knows. That’s 5 years down the line. A lot can happen.

Eberles style of play will age well. His contract takes up his 29,30,31,32,33 at a pretty modest 5.5 AAV. He’s drives play at a very high level. Guys like Patrick hornqvist and TJ Oshie are producing at 20 G + pace and they are currently in their age 33 seasons. Parise is 35 (his contract is brutal, but you get the point) I’d be worried if eberle was signed to an 8 year deal, but he’s not , and his contract likely will not be a problem. I can see him being traded at some point during his deal, maybe 3 years from now.

Bailey makes 5 mill AAV and for what he brings in terms of on ice production and intangibles, he will never be traded. He’ll be like an Alex steen, hell produce at a high level for the next 3 years and then he’ll be in the bottom 6.

Like I said,Lee is the only one that poses a problem down the line because of his style of play and because his contract takes him to his age 35 season - but it had to be done and it’s a risk well worth taking.

Almost every contender has brutal contracts - Boston has David backes , they had to buyout Dennis seidenberg contract a few years back and are still paying him. St. Louis has Jake Allen and Alex steen. Nashville has Kyle turris.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 12:29 p.m.
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I have already ran the numbers and potential buyouts, cap increases. Lee will be the only player that becomes a problem contract down the line, but he needed to be signed this season. The islanders are essentially paying him because they believe this team can win a cup within the next 3-4 years - and without him, they’re not in the position they’re in right now. I can see him being bought out in 5 years.

Nelson has become a bargain for the islanders. 55-65 point player that has the best defensive impact on the team and can shut down opposing teams top players. His 6 year deal takes up his 28,29,30,31,32,33 seasons. He seems to be getting better with age, so assuming he’s producing at a similar pace for his 28,29,30,31 seasons, and let’s say he falls off a bit at his age 32 season to a 40-45 pt pace. That’s one season left at 6 mill, you don’t know what’s going to happen that far down the line - does he have enough value to be traded? What’s the cap number? Maybe the islanders have to give a pick or a prospect in a trade. Who knows. That’s 5 years down the line. A lot can happen.

Eberles style of play will age well. His contract takes up his 29,30,31,32,33 at a pretty modest 5.5 AAV. He’s drives play at a very high level. Guys like Patrick hornqvist and TJ Oshie are producing at 20 G + pace and they are currently in their age 33 seasons. Parise is 35 (his contract is brutal, but you get the point) I’d be worried if eberle was signed to an 8 year deal, but he’s not , and his contract likely will not be a problem. I can see him being traded at some point during his deal, maybe 3 years from now.

Bailey makes 5 mill AAV and for what he brings in terms of on ice production and intangibles, he will never be traded. He’ll be like an Alex steen, hell produce at a high level for the next 3 years and then he’ll be in the bottom 6.

Like I said,Lee is the only one that poses a problem down the line because of his style of play and because his contract takes him to his age 35 season - but it had to be done and it’s a risk well worth taking.

Almost every contender has brutal contracts - Boston has David backes , they had to buyout Dennis seidenberg contract a few years back and are still paying him. St. Louis has Jake Allen and Alex steen. Nashville has Kyle turris.


Two things.

The go to for everyone who wants to feel good about older players with term say the same thing "His style play translates well as he ages" that despite every single year less and less players are around past 30. In the entire NHL last year there were something like 40 defenceman over the age of 30. In the entire league! And that was down from the year before and the year before that. Playing past 30 is becoming incredibly harder to do. Unless you have elite skill and talent, a younger faster and likely cheaper player will be around that can do pretty much the same job. That's where I think the Islanders are going to be in trouble. They are currently one of the older teams in their conference and most of those plays close to or over 30 have term still.

Its not the worst cap situation in the league. Nashville, San Jose, and Tampa are far worse but there are a tonne of red flags in your payroll.

Secondly, TO doesn't have any bad contracts and they are also the 3rd youngest team in the league. GM's have proven time and again that they never plan for the future, they plan for however long they think they'll have a job and what comes after that doesn't matter cause they will be gone.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 12:51 p.m.
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Two things.

The go to for everyone who wants to feel good about older players with term say the same thing "His style play translates well as he ages" that despite every single year less and less players are around past 30. In the entire NHL last year there were something like 40 defenceman over the age of 30. In the entire league! And that was down from the year before and the year before that. Playing past 30 is becoming incredibly harder to do. Unless you have elite skill and talent, a younger faster and likely cheaper player will be around that can do pretty much the same job. That's where I think the Islanders are going to be in trouble. They are currently one of the older teams in their conference and most of those plays close to or over 30 have term still.

Its not the worst cap situation in the league. Nashville, San Jose, and Tampa are far worse but there are a tonne of red flags in your payroll.

Secondly, TO doesn't have any bad contracts and they are also the 3rd youngest team in the league. GM's have proven time and again that they never plan for the future, they plan for however long they think they'll have a job and what comes after that doesn't matter cause they will be gone.


The islanders have one of the best D cores in the league (it’s not all Barry trotz system like many who don’t watch the isles assume). The age of the current d core is 25-25, 25-26, 28(leddy) - 36(boychuk). Next season it will be 26-26, 26-20, 24-27. The islanders have pulock, mayfield, boychuk on the right side this season. Pulock will get a contract around 6.5 AAV this summer and next season the right side will be pulock,Dobson, mayfield. Once bode Wilde is ready in a few years that can make Ryan pulock expendable.

Three years from now, the islanders forward group without any trades will likely be beauvillier-barzal-wahlstrom, lee-nelson-Holmstrom, bailey-koivula-eberle.
4 players in the top 6 25 or under.

You can look around the league and pick out many players from 30-33 who are earning their contracts. Yes, this season the islanders are one of the older teams in the league. Next season Greiss (35) and Martin (30) will be off the books. Isles will have Dobson (20) , wahlstrom (20) and koivula (22) all having a significant role on the team next season. By the time their ELC are up ladd (34) , komarov (32) , clutterbuck (32) and boychuk (36) will all be off the books.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 1:29 p.m.
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The islanders have one of the best D cores in the league (it’s not all Barry trotz system like many who don’t watch the isles assume). The age of the current d core is 25-25, 25-26, 28(leddy) - 36(boychuk). Next season it will be 26-26, 26-20, 24-27. The islanders have pulock, mayfield, boychuk on the right side this season. Pulock will get a contract around 6.5 AAV this summer and next season the right side will be pulock,Dobson, mayfield. Once bode Wilde is ready in a few years that can make Ryan pulock expendable.

Three years from now, the islanders forward group without any trades will likely be beauvillier-barzal-wahlstrom, lee-nelson-Holmstrom, bailey-koivula-eberle.
4 players in the top 6 25 or under.

You can look around the league and pick out many players from 30-33 who are earning their contracts. Yes, this season the islanders are one of the older teams in the league. Next season Greiss (35) and Martin (30) will be off the books. Isles will have Dobson (20) , wahlstrom (20) and koivula (22) all having a significant role on the team next season. By the time their ELC are up ladd (34) , komarov (32) , clutterbuck (32) and boychuk (36) will all be off the books.


I fear that you are going to be disappointed in certain things in the coming years.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 1:31 p.m.
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I fear that you are going to be disappointed in certain things in the coming years.


Just like I was told this summer that the islanders were going to regress and become a bottom 10 team.

I guess only the leafs + dubas can get rid of bad contracts. All other teams are f*cked.
Dec. 3, 2019 at 1:34 p.m.
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Just like I was told this summer that the islanders were going to regress and become a bottom 10 team.

I guess only the leafs + dubas can get rid of bad contracts. All other teams are f*cked.


I have zero faith in Lou understanding what is or isn't a bad contract. His handy work in TO was Marleau and Zaitsev. His reputation is to sqeeze young players for everything because they have to "earn it" and then give all that money he saves to vets who "know how to be pros". I know other teams have gotten rid of bad contracts but its never easy and its always costly.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
I have zero faith in Lou understanding what is or isn't a bad contract. His handy work in TO was Marleau and Zaitsev. His reputation is to sqeeze young players for everything because they have to "earn it" and then give all that money he saves to vets who "know how to be pros". I know other teams have gotten rid of bad contracts but its never easy and its always costly.


Did he not sign kadri and Morgan reilly? Trade for and sign Anderson? And didn’t he get rid of Phaneuf contract? I’m not even getting into that conversation because most leafs fans are all about confirmation bias.

The thing is unless you follow the isles closely you’d know for the next 3 years the islanders will not have any cap trouble. In 3 years it’s likely LL will no longer be the GM of the islanders and there’s really nothing LL can do to f*ck the team long term from a cap perspective because of all the prospects that are close to making the roster and are on ELC for the next 3 years

I’m not a fan of everything LL does, but he’s done a great job with NYI and he’s a big reason why this team is a contender
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Did he not sign kadri and Morgan reilly? Trade for and sign Anderson? And didn’t he get rid of Phaneuf contract? I’m not even getting into that conversation because most leafs fans are all about confirmation bias.

The thing is unless you follow the isles closely you’d know for the next 3 years the islanders will not have any cap trouble. In 3 years it’s likely LL will no longer be the GM of the islanders and there’s really nothing LL can do to f*ck the team long term from a cap perspective because of all the prospects that are close to making the roster and are on ELC for the next 3 years

I’m not a fan of everything LL does, but he’s done a great job with NYI and he’s a big reason why this team is a contender


It'll depend on how much Barzal makes. Things could be fine or they may fall apart. Who knows, what if these young guys that are coming up don't pan out? Its happens. Nothing is ever as easy as you think its going to be, otherwise TO would have already won the cup.
 
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