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The Nuclear Option

Created by: RTommy
Initial Creation Date: Dec 4, 2019
Published: Dec 4, 2019 at 9:27
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Jones, Seth
  2. Dubois, Pierre-Luc
  3. Jenner, Boone
CBJ
  1. Matthews, Auston
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. Kerfoot, Alexander
  4. Ceci, Cody
TOR
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar
NYR
  1. Bracco, Jeremy
  2. Hutchinson, Michael
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$71,124,809$0$2,702,500$10,375,191
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
CBJ
Jenner, Boone
$3,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
CBJ
Dubois, Pierre-Luc
$894,166
C, LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
CBJ
Jones, Seth
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
$792,500
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Dec 4, 2019 at 9:28
#1
Canucks for Canada
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CBJ takes that and runs, setting a new world record
Dec 4, 2019 at 9:29
#2
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Then PLD bends Dubas the ***** over for the 4th time and gets 5x10

Lmao just kidding. I honestly doubt either team does that trade
Dec 4, 2019 at 9:29
#3
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
CBJ takes that and runs, setting a new world record


CBJ laughs and hangs up the phone...
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Dec 4, 2019 at 9:31
#4
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Quoting: Talos213
CBJ laughs and hangs up the phone...


Are you sure

Matthews >> Dubois, Jenner
Matthews > Dubois

Johnsson, Kerfoot, Ceci = Jones, Jenner
Johnsson, Kerfoot, Ceci = Jones
Dec 4, 2019 at 9:35
#5
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
Are you sure

Matthews >> Dubois, Jenner
Matthews > Dubois

Johnsson, Kerfoot, Ceci = Jones, Jenner
Johnsson, Kerfoot, Ceci = Jones


If you think Johnsson kerfoot and ceci = Jones you need to re-evaluate
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Dec 4, 2019 at 9:36
#6
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Quoting: Salzy
If you think Johnsson kerfoot and ceci = Jones you need to re-evaluate


@Salzy CBJ needs offense real bad, kerfoot can play 2nd line and johnsson 1st

Ceci can play 2nd pair D
Dec 4, 2019 at 9:37
#7
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
@Salzy CBJ needs offense real bad, kerfoot can play 2nd line and johnsson 1st

Ceci can play 2nd pair D


Cool, doesn't mean that gets you Jones
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Dec 4, 2019 at 9:38
#8
Lenny7
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
Are you sure

Matthews >> Dubois, Jenner
Matthews > Dubois

Johnsson, Kerfoot, Ceci = Jones, Jenner
Johnsson, Kerfoot, Ceci = Jones


That’s definitely not enough for Jones. He’s a top 5 RHD in the league, if not higher. Johnsson is a top 9 fwd, Kerfoot is a 3C, and Ceci is ok, but overpaid and has only one year of control left.
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Dec 4, 2019 at 9:40
#9
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
Are you sure

Matthews >> Dubois, Jenner
Matthews > Dubois

Johnsson, Kerfoot, Ceci = Jones, Jenner
Johnsson, Kerfoot, Ceci = Jones


Matthews is better than Dubois, but not $4mil+ better (guessing Dubois resigns for 7-8 mil long term). Matthews also cannot stay healthy. Johnson and Kerfoot are good but not core pieces. Jones is. Ceci is a cap dump. So yeah I'm pretty sure
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Dec 4, 2019 at 9:41
#10
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lets say Matthews is as valuable as Jones
Jenner and Kerfoot is probably a wash. Johnsson and Ceci doesn't get u close to PLD
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Dec 4, 2019 at 9:48
#11
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
@Salzy CBJ needs offense real bad, kerfoot can play 2nd line and johnsson 1st

Ceci can play 2nd pair D


You are delusional.

Jones and Matthews have similar values. Probably give Jones a slight advantage, but real close. Top pairing D men don't come around too often, especially when they are on a great deal for two more years.
Meanwhile Matthews is getting paid double that. All that for a guy who has reached 70pts once. The talent is there no doubt, but he has one 70 point season.

Dubois is the next best player by far. Not even close.

Jenner, Johnsson and Kerfoot are all in the same ballpark. Kerfoot is not a 2nd line center. He is on pace for 27pts per 82 games this season and has a career high of 43pts. He is 25, maybe a little growth, but he is heading in the wrong direction. There is a reason the Avs traded him. FYI - Boone Jenner is 26 and a career high of 49pts (30 goals)

Johnsson has had one decent season.

Jones has the most value in this deal.


Ceci has negative value.
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Dec 4, 2019 at 9:49
#12
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Quoting: Talos213
Ceci is a cap dump.


Then you retain on him
Dec 4, 2019 at 9:49
#13
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Okay fine everyone
Dec 4, 2019 at 10:15
#14
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It's easy to be a guy that's critical of his and his own team's performance. However, when you make the most on this team and appear to take half the game off, and show minimal effort on the back-heck, I'd have no problem trading you. That, of course, all refers to Auston Matthews. If you intend to make a deal involving him though, I think you can get a better deal trading him on his own, then with others, even though his cap hit might be a problem. In a past AGM, I proposed Auston Matthews for Ryan O'Reilly and Colton Parayko. Some people liked the deal, some people didn't :P but that's more of a deal I'm looking for. I do not think Columbus is the ideal fit, unless they were willing to take Matthews for Seth Jones, Josh Anderson and 1st rounder.
Dec 4, 2019 at 10:39
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Quoting: MG1986
It's easy to be a guy that's critical of his and his own team's performance. However, when you make the most on this team and appear to take half the game off, and show minimal effort on the back-heck, I'd have no problem trading you. That, of course, all refers to Auston Matthews. If you intend to make a deal involving him though, I think you can get a better deal trading him on his own, then with others, even though his cap hit might be a problem. In a past AGM, I proposed Auston Matthews for Ryan O'Reilly and Colton Parayko. Some people liked the deal, some people didn't :P but that's more of a deal I'm looking for. I do not think Columbus is the ideal fit, unless they were willing to take Matthews for Seth Jones, Josh Anderson and 1st rounder.



You vastly undervalue players on other teams. Seth Jones - A 25 year old Stud of a dman on a great contract has more value than an often injured underachieving Center.

Since Matthews has entered the league he has exactly 17 more points than O'reilly. In that Time O'Reilly has Won a Selke, a Conn Smyth & A CUP. He also finished top 11 in Selke in the three fulls seaons and will likely again this year.

17 points is not worth one of the top 10-15 dmen in the league. Parayko is about as valueable as Matthews especially when factoring in CAP Hits.

Matthews would draw 100% of the tough defensive matchups rather than Tavares

As for your CBJ Trade - I love leafs fans. They have all the superior players, yet that can't get out of the 1st round. Meanwhile Jones and co are making Tampa look like fools.

You are trying to get the best players from more successful teams for an underachieving player who can't win and is vastly overpaid. Stop treating him like he is anywhere near the player McDavid is. Matthews is less than a PPG for his career (.979) while McDavid is 1.33 ppg and although Draisaitl is a beast I think everyone can agree the Leafs have the advantage in offensive talent/help.
Dec 4, 2019 at 10:39
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Quoting: MG1986
It's easy to be a guy that's critical of his and his own team's performance. However, when you make the most on this team and appear to take half the game off, and show minimal effort on the back-heck, I'd have no problem trading you. That, of course, all refers to Auston Matthews. If you intend to make a deal involving him though, I think you can get a better deal trading him on his own, then with others, even though his cap hit might be a problem. In a past AGM, I proposed Auston Matthews for Ryan O'Reilly and Colton Parayko. Some people liked the deal, some people didn't :P but that's more of a deal I'm looking for. I do not think Columbus is the ideal fit, unless they were willing to take Matthews for Seth Jones, Josh Anderson and 1st rounder.


If that's the kind of return you expect for Matthews in that scenario you're dreaming. As many have already stated in this post, most cbj fans wouldn't even do Jones for Matthews
Dec 4, 2019 at 10:41
#17
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Quoting: CrossFireX33
If that's the kind of return you expect for Matthews in that scenario you're dreaming. As many have already stated in this post, most cbj fans wouldn't even do Jones for Matthews


If I were a Columbus fan, I would not do Jones for Matthews straight up either. But Colton Parayko is certainly not Seth Jones. Not even close, in my opinion.
Dec 4, 2019 at 10:43
#18
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Quoting: MG1986
If I were a Columbus fan, I would not do Jones for Matthews straight up either. But Colton Parayko is certainly not Seth Jones. Not even close, in my opinion.


Parayko is not Jones but his value is very similar, Matthews wouldn't get you Him AND O'Reilly, not a chance
Dec 4, 2019 at 10:49
#19
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no
Dec 4, 2019 at 11:03
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Yikes. Hard pass from Columbus. Jenner is centering our number one line, PLD is centering our second line and Jones is by far our best healthy defenseman. Mathews is nice but not at that price, he just wouldn’t be worth it for Columbus.
 
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