SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

Legitimate Hall trades

Created by: Talos213
Team: 2019-20 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 4, 2019
Published: Dec. 4, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Guys, seriously. All of these Hall trades are way off the mark. The guy isn't as good as Stone and most likely won't sign an extension in season. These might need some work based on cap but should be fairly close.

Using the Stone trade as a template which included him signing an extension. However I think more teams will be in on Hall than Stone. So I'm calling it a B+ prospect, 2nd rounder and a throw in player
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Hall, Taylor
1$6,000,000
Trades
1.
NJD
  1. Suzuki, Ryan
  2. van Riemsdyk, Trevor
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Hall, Taylor
2.
NJD
  1. Annunen, Justus [Reserve List]
  2. Timmins, Conor
  3. Wilson, Colin
  4. 2020 4th round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
Avs do not have a 2nd so I added Annunen and lowered the pick to a 4th
COL
  1. Hall, Taylor
3.
NJD
  1. Bow, Landon
  2. Dellandrea, Ty
  3. Janmark, Mattias
  4. 2020 4th round pick (DAL)
Additional Details:
Same thing as COL, no 2nd so added a goalie prospect. I have not followed this season closely for Bow vs Oettinger so they could be swapped
DAL
  1. Hall, Taylor
4.
NJD
  1. Benson, Tyler
  2. Gagner, Sam
  3. Manning, Brandon
  4. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
  5. 2020 4th round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Could be way off the mark with this one. But EDM needs to clear cap so it's basically Benson, 4th and Gagner for Hall and JP to take on the Manning deal this year. Pick is slightly lower because 2 prospects are included
EDM
  1. Hall, Taylor
5.
NJD
  1. Brook, Josh
  2. Kulak, Brett
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
I consider Kulak more than a throw in here. Julien seems to not like him so I could see him being moved in a deal like this. I think he's an improvement for the Devils so the pick is only a 3rd
6.
NJD
  1. Backes, David
  2. Senyshyn, Zach
  3. Vaakanainen, Urho
  4. 2020 1st round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
NJ takes on an extra year of the Backes deal to help BOS sign Krug, cover new extension for Coyle. Price goes up to eat the salary
BOS
  1. Hall, Taylor
7.
NJD
  1. Ho-Sang, Joshua
  2. Wilde, Bode
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Hall, Taylor
8.
NJD
  1. Smith, Craig
  2. Tolvanen, Eeli
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (NJD)
NSH
  1. Hall, Taylor
9.
NJD
  1. Braun, Justin
  2. York, Cam [Reserve List]
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Hall, Taylor
10.
NJD
  1. Addison, Calen
  2. Galchenyuk, Alex
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
This depends on what you think of Galchenyuk. I still see him as a good player. I think he could do well if he could stay healthy. He looked good in camp. If you don't like him as a player, swap the 3rd with a 1st
PIT
  1. Hall, Taylor
11.
NJD
  1. Kostin, Klim
  2. Steen, Alexander
  3. 2020 1st round pick (STL)
Additional Details:
NJ eats the 2 years left on Steen's deal and gets a 1st for it instead of a 2nd
STL
  1. Hall, Taylor
12.
NJD
  1. Bahl, Kevin
  2. Garland, Conor
  3. Söderberg, Carl
  4. 2020 2nd round pick (ARI)
Additional Details:
Prospects aren't of as high a tier but both have a legit shot, didn't want to touch Hayton or Granstrom
ARI
  1. Hall, Taylor
Buyouts
Recapture Fees
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the BOS
Logo of the STL
Logo of the CAR
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the ARI
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the BOS
Logo of the COL
Logo of the DAL
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
2021
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
2022
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the CBJ
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the NJD
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
51$81,500,000$114,141,888$0$9,690,000-$32,641,888
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$2,875,000$2,875,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$2,250,000$2,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$2,325,000$2,325,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$1,800,000$1,800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$700,000$700,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$749,167$749,167 (Performance Bonus$42,500$42K)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$450,000$450K)
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$808,333$808,333 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$925,000$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
Logo of the New York Islanders
$874,125$874,125
RW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$750,000$750,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$4,250,000$4,250,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,900,000$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$925,000$925,000
C
RFA - 5
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$863,333$863,333
LW, RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$5,750,000$5,750,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,600,000$2,600,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$894,167$894,167
RW
RFA - 4
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,835,000$2,835,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$4,750,000$4,750,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$1,150,000$1,150,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$2,437,500$2,437,500
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$697,500$697,500 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$2,822,764$2,822,764
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$700,000$700,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$675,000$675,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$2,300,000$2,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$795,000$795,000 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
Logo of the New York Islanders
$778,333$778,333
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$3,800,000$3,800,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$809,167$809,167
RD
RFA - 4
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$817,500$817,500
LD
RFA - 4

Embed Code

  • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
  • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

Text-Embed

Click to Highlight
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:15 a.m.
#1
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 6,728
Likes: 1,559
....Why is Stone the reference? Is the argument here that no GM can get a better haul than Dorian in a super crowded market at the last minute?
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:19 a.m.
#2
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 113
Likes: 26
Quoting: Sagecoll
....Why is Stone the reference? Is the argument here that no GM can get a better haul than Dorian in a super crowded market at the last minute?


Because Stone is the most recent high end winger traded. As I explained above, while Stone is the better player and came with a contract extension, I expect more teams to be in on Hall and a longer build up
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:20 a.m.
#3
Banned
Avatar of the user
Joined: Nov. 2019
Posts: 330
Likes: 62
To be completely honest, these are all bad and undervalue Hall. Hall is the best forward rental available and no matter what a 2020 1st round pick along with A & B prospects are going to New Jersey without taking a bad contract. Hall will most likely be retained a bit because not a lot of playoff teams can take a 6M cap hit even with deadline cap space. With that being said, the team that gets him will most likely overpay for him quite a bit. NJD will go for the highest bidder and there will be lots of bids.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:29 a.m.
#4
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 113
Likes: 26
Quoting: Hockeyguy77
To be completely honest, these are all bad and undervalue Hall. Hall is the best forward rental available and no matter what a 2020 1st round pick along with A & B prospects are going to New Jersey without taking a bad contract. Hall will most likely be retained a bit because not a lot of playoff teams can take a 6M cap hit even with deadline cap space. With that being said, the team that gets him will most likely overpay for him quite a bit. NJD will go for the highest bidder and there will be lots of bids.


2 1st round picks got traded last year. WPG moved theirs for Hayes (along with a 4th and Lemieux, an overpay but Hayes is also a center) and BUF sent SJ's to ANA with Guhle for Montour. The 2020 draft is better than the 2019 draft. Teams aren't going to be throwing out 1sts. Hall is not even a point per game player this year. He has had injury troubles. He has the MVP season 2 years ago and then a lot of injury shortened years. He's only been better than a PPG in 4 out of his 10 seasons. 2 of those he only played 33 (18-19) and 45 (12-13 lockout year)
royle9 liked this.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:30 a.m.
#5
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 6,691
Likes: 1,932
Quoting: Hockeyguy77
To be completely honest, these are all bad and undervalue Hall. Hall is the best forward rental available and no matter what a 2020 1st round pick along with A & B prospects are going to New Jersey without taking a bad contract. Hall will most likely be retained a bit because not a lot of playoff teams can take a 6M cap hit even with deadline cap space. With that being said, the team that gets him will most likely overpay for him quite a bit. NJD will go for the highest bidder and there will be lots of bids.


These are all great points.
Also I think Hall gets moved to a team with the same idea as Stone
He's looking to win now, he will be paid handsomely. I really don't see him wringing out each last penny while trying to land on a multi yr contender.
His agent will say otherwise!
The team that gets him in this situation believes that puts them over and will be willing to give up some future for immediate success
Hockeyguy77 liked this.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:31 a.m.
#6
#LeafsFever
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 3,785
Likes: 932
The only reason he's been "put on the market" now is so that the Devils can try and get a bidding war going. I'd agree with the description, that I don't think Hall signs an extension in season, unless he really liked the team he was going to, and the new contract numbers were that enticing. The 2 biggest players here might be the Islanders and Avalanche, for different reasons, but I'd say the underdog in all this has to be Arizona. The team is doing incredibly well, all things considered, and I could see them willing to unload a bunch of assets (other than Barret Hayton) to acquire 5-6 months of Taylor Hall.
Hockeyguy77 liked this.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:35 a.m.
#7
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 6,728
Likes: 1,559
Quoting: Talos213
Because Stone is the most recent high end winger traded. As I explained above, while Stone is the better player and came with a contract extension, I expect more teams to be in on Hall and a longer build up


But that's obviously super arbitrary and unrealistic. Stone was amongst 8 top 6 F's traded last year. There's maybe 3-4 on the market this year, Hall included.

I mean I can easily make the argument that Hall should get a lot more in return than Rick Nash got, which was a 1st + recent 2nd rounder + middle 6 40 pt player + cheap cap dump.

Just that compensation projected on a couple teams you listed here:

Edmonton: 1st + Lavoie + Pujljujarvi + Gagner

Carolina: 1st + Rees + Dzingel

Nashville: 1st + Afanasyev + Bonino


Again...Hall should be getting a good bit MORE than that...
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:36 a.m.
#8
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 113
Likes: 26
Quoting: Smitty426
These are all great points.
Also I think Hall gets moved to a team with the same idea as Stone
He's looking to win now, he will be paid handsomely. I really don't see him wringing out each last penny while trying to land on a multi yr contender.
His agent will say otherwise!
The team that gets him in this situation believes that puts them over and will be willing to give up some future for immediate success


His agent is Darren Ferris (same as Marner's) who historically pushes his clients to go to free agency and specifically would with Hall seeing what Panarin got last year. I also could see Hall being interested in calling his shot with how being drafted by the Oilers and traded to the Devils has worked out (1 playoff appearance)
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:36 a.m.
#9
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 113
Likes: 26
Quoting: MG1986
The only reason he's been "put on the market" now is so that the Devils can try and get a bidding war going. I'd agree with the description, that I don't think Hall signs an extension in season, unless he really liked the team he was going to, and the new contract numbers were that enticing. The 2 biggest players here might be the Islanders and Avalanche, for different reasons, but I'd say the underdog in all this has to be Arizona. The team is doing incredibly well, all things considered, and I could see them willing to unload a bunch of assets (other than Barret Hayton) to acquire 5-6 months of Taylor Hall.


I didn't even think of Arizona but could absolutely see that trade. It would be a big boost for them on the ice and off
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:40 a.m.
#10
#LeafsFever
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 3,785
Likes: 932
Quoting: Talos213
I didn't even think of Arizona but could absolutely see that trade. It would be a big boost for them on the ice and off


If Phil Kessel can help this group get better, then there is no doubt that Taylor Hall can do that, and more. The only question that remains is his continuous health, but I think in a warmer climate, with less eyes on him every steps that he takes, would certainly help. Would Arizona pony up some goods to acquire a pure rental? Hard to say. But I think this group is tired of losing and missing playoffs. With a new owner in the fold, I think you will see them pursue some top tier rentals, and go hard this offseason for top tier UFAs.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:45 a.m.
#11
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 113
Likes: 26
Quoting: Sagecoll
But that's obviously super arbitrary and unrealistic. Stone was amongst 8 top 6 F's traded last year. There's maybe 3-4 on the market this year, Hall included.

I mean I can easily make the argument that Hall should get a lot more in return than Rick Nash got, which was a 1st + recent 2nd rounder + middle 6 40 pt player + cheap cap dump.

Just that compensation projected on a couple teams you listed here:

Edmonton: 1st + Lavoie + Pujljujarvi + Gagner

Carolina: 1st + Rees + Dzingel

Nashville: 1st + Afanasyev + Bonino


Again...Hall should be getting a good bit MORE than that...


I'm not looking at top 6 forwards. I am looking at true top line wingers. This is not about what SHOULD happen but what probably will. I don't see 1st rounders moving unless it's for players with term or they are going to be in the high 20s. Yes Stone was an underpay but he is a better and younger player than Hall without the injury history and a contract extension negotiated ahead of time.

The Nash trade includes 3 seasons of Belesky as a cap dump. I'd argue that it is not comparable because of that
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:46 a.m.
#12
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 113
Likes: 26
Quoting: MG1986
If Phil Kessel can help this group get better, then there is no doubt that Taylor Hall can do that, and more. The only question that remains is his continuous health, but I think in a warmer climate, with less eyes on him every steps that he takes, would certainly help. Would Arizona pony up some goods to acquire a pure rental? Hard to say. But I think this group is tired of losing and missing playoffs. With a new owner in the fold, I think you will see them pursue some top tier rentals, and go hard this offseason for top tier UFAs.


Yeah and I don't think they'd be too worried about retaining him if they can make the playoffs this year. I think you're definitely on to something with this
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:50 a.m.
#13
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 6,691
Likes: 1,932
Quoting: Talos213
His agent is Darren Ferris (same as Marner's) who historically pushes his clients to go to free agency and specifically would with Hall seeing what Panarin got last year. I also could see Hall being interested in calling his shot with how being drafted by the Oilers and traded to the Devils has worked out (1 playoff appearance)


Agree but the Marner thing, while done, was sloppy. I see TH looking at the bigger picture. I think all parties walk away pretty happy.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:54 a.m.
#14
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 6,728
Likes: 1,559
Quoting: Talos213
I'm not looking at top 6 forwards. I am looking at true top line wingers. This is not about what SHOULD happen but what probably will. I don't see 1st rounders moving unless it's for players with term or they are going to be in the high 20s. Yes Stone was an underpay but he is a better and younger player than Hall without the injury history and a contract extension negotiated ahead of time.

The Nash trade includes 3 seasons of Belesky as a cap dump. I'd argue that it is not comparable because of that


Belesky minors cap hit is 800k...If that is holding you back I'm not really sure what to tell you.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 10:57 a.m.
#15
Banned
Avatar of the user
Joined: Nov. 2019
Posts: 330
Likes: 62
Quoting: Talos213
2 1st round picks got traded last year. WPG moved theirs for Hayes (along with a 4th and Lemieux, an overpay but Hayes is also a center) and BUF sent SJ's to ANA with Guhle for Montour. The 2020 draft is better than the 2019 draft. Teams aren't going to be throwing out 1sts. Hall is not even a point per game player this year. He has had injury troubles. He has the MVP season 2 years ago and then a lot of injury shortened years. He's only been better than a PPG in 4 out of his 10 seasons. 2 of those he only played 33 (18-19) and 45 (12-13 lockout year)


OK, but if I am Ray Shero I am going to tell you "I don't care about your opinion. There are quite a few teams willing to send me a 2020 1st round pick for starters." (Hangs up the phone)
Assuming that Hall won't get the Devils a 1st round pick in a return is ridiculous.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 11:00 a.m.
#16
NYI
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2016
Posts: 3,476
Likes: 1,102
Isles say yes because that's not a ton of value to give for Hall. Anything more than that I say no chance.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 11:02 a.m.
#17
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 113
Likes: 26
Quoting: Sagecoll
Belesky minors cap hit is 800k...If that is holding you back I'm not really sure what to tell you.


I forgot BOS retained half of the deal.

So basically, you're saying that it should be a 1st, a useful roster player and a cap dump for a top line winger. My take is that the league has gone away from moving 1sts in rental trades and valuing draft picks more than they did 2 years ago when that deal was made. In the end, you're taking exception to the lack of a 1st in most of my deals? I'd call all of the players I contributed useful
Dec. 4, 2019 at 11:04 a.m.
#18
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 113
Likes: 26
Quoting: Hockeyguy77
OK, but if I am Ray Shero I am going to tell you "I don't care about your opinion. There are quite a few teams willing to send me a 2020 1st round pick for starters." (Hangs up the phone)
Assuming that Hall won't get the Devils a 1st round pick in a return is ridiculous.


So Shero tells other GMs that they should ignore recent history and give him a massive package anyways? And gets left holding the bag at the trade deadline with nothing to show for a player that's leaving on July 1st? Sounds like a fireable offense to me
Dec. 4, 2019 at 11:15 a.m.
#19
Biased Opinion
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2019
Posts: 2,683
Likes: 1,969
The Stone model isn't something NJ should be striving towards. Considering Stone immediately signed an 8 year extension with Vegas, the Sens got hosed on that transaction. It was also a year where the market was crowded (part of that was because of Ottawa having 3 big pending UFAs holding everything up). This year it's not looking nearly as competitive, teams will be bidding high for the Hart trophy winner from 2 years ago. You could make the argument that Stone is better than Hall but Hall is without a question one of the best wingers in hockey.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 11:16 a.m.
#20
look good play good
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2019
Posts: 426
Likes: 98
Late 1st (playoff/cup contending team) and a B prospect and younger roster player.

He's not going to get anywhere near some of the value you Devils fans think he's worth.
Struggling UFA with Injury troubles playing out the last year of his value contract @ 6M/season.

The Devils have NO leverage here, literally 0.
Talos213 liked this.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 11:18 a.m.
#21
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 113
Likes: 26
Quoting: royle9
Late 1st (playoff/cup contending team) and a B prospect and younger roster player.

He's not going to get anywhere near some of the value you Devils fans think he's worth.
Struggling UFA with Injury troubles playing out the last year of his value contract @ 6M/season.

The Devils have NO leverage here, literally 0.


Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way!
Dec. 4, 2019 at 11:24 a.m.
#22
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2018
Posts: 113
Likes: 26
Quoting: Barbs
The Stone model isn't something NJ should be striving towards. Considering Stone immediately signed an 8 year extension with Vegas, the Sens got hosed on that transaction. It was also a year where the market was crowded (part of that was because of Ottawa having 3 big pending UFAs holding everything up). This year it's not looking nearly as competitive, teams will be bidding high for the Hart trophy winner from 2 years ago. You could make the argument that Stone is better than Hall but Hall is without a question one of the best wingers in hockey.


As I've stated a few times. Yes the Sens got hosed. But if you're a GM trading for Hall you don't use that comparison?

Stone is younger, better, healthier, signed a deal right away and was having a better season when he was traded.

Also, while you can argue he's playing on a team as a whole that's struggling, Hall's GAR for the season is -1.5 placing him in a tie for 403 out of 460 forwards for the year

*EDIT* Stat is from Evolving Hockey
royle9 liked this.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 11:31 a.m.
#23
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 6,728
Likes: 1,559
Quoting: Talos213
I forgot BOS retained half of the deal.

So basically, you're saying that it should be a 1st, a useful roster player and a cap dump for a top line winger. My take is that the league has gone away from moving 1sts in rental trades and valuing draft picks more than they did 2 years ago when that deal was made. In the end, you're taking exception to the lack of a 1st in most of my deals? I'd call all of the players I contributed useful


I'm saying it should be probably close to the Duchene deal last year: 2020 1st + cond 1st + Top 80 prospect +. And also that last year's trades are indicative of an oversaturated market for F's (probably easiest to see in the fact that Carl Hagelin and Ben Lovejoy were traded for the same compensation) and not teams changing their valuations of draft picks
Dec. 4, 2019 at 11:33 a.m.
#24
v5 CBJ GM
Avatar of the user
Joined: Feb. 2019
Posts: 15,844
Likes: 8,548
Doubt NSH trades Tolvanen
Dec. 4, 2019 at 11:34 a.m.
#25
Biased Opinion
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2019
Posts: 2,683
Likes: 1,969
Quoting: Talos213
As I've stated a few times. Yes the Sens got hosed. But if you're a GM trading for Hall you don't use that comparison?

Stone is younger, better, healthier, signed a deal right away and was having a better season when he was traded.

Also, while you can argue he's playing on a team as a whole that's struggling, Hall's GAR for the season is -1.5 placing him in a tie for 403 out of 460 forwards for the year

*EDIT* Stat is from Evolving Hockey


Ok let me rephrase. Dorion fumbled that trade, I have more faith in Shero not doing the same. Inquiring teams may try to use the Stone trade as precedent but Shero will certainly get a better offer than anything posted above. Teams will be trying to outbid each other for Hall's services. Dorion was trying to pull off 3 big trades in one weekend and was left settling with Stone, Shero doesn't have that problem.
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Add Option
Submit Poll