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Ducky

Created by: jloose
Initial Creation Date: Dec 4, 2019
Published: Dec 4, 2019 at 12:48
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Lindholm, Hampus
  2. Manson, Josh
ANA
  1. Rielly, Morgan
  2. Bracco, Jeremy
  3. Liljegren, Timothy
  4. Johnsson, Andreas
TOR
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar
NYR
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Petan, Nicolas
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,414,366$0$202,500$85,634
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
ANA
Lindholm, Hampus
$5,205,556
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
ANA
Manson, Josh
$4,100,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
$792,500
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Dec 4, 2019 at 12:50
#1
Breadman likes Bread
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Rangers most likely decline due to Ceci’s cap hit but not the worst offer.
Dec 4, 2019 at 12:51
#2
Thread Starter
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Quoting: KingLundqvist30
Rangers most likely decline due to Ceci’s cap hit but not the worst offer.


hes expired at the end of the year. just doing the leafs a favor as part of the deal
Dec 4, 2019 at 12:53
#3
mokumboi
Joined: Apr 2019
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Wow, these are both reasonable offers - did not see that coming.
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Dec 4, 2019 at 1:22
#4
Jah1722
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Ducks pass. Bracco has no value and Johnsson has minimal value to the Ducks. And Rielly and Liljegren aren’t an upgrade.
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Dec 4, 2019 at 1:25
#5
Joined: Nov 2019
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Liljegren is a little overkill in the Anaheim deal. Also you’re likely to get roasted by some Leafs fans for even suggesting trading Rielly.
Dec 4, 2019 at 1:44
#6
Jah1722
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Quoting: BigAnderson
Liljegren is a little overkill in the Anaheim deal. Also you’re likely to get roasted by some Leafs fans for even suggesting trading Rielly.


There’s zero chance the ducks take the deal as is. Liljegren doesn’t even get it done. He’s definitely not overkill.
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Dec 4, 2019 at 2:00
#7
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 195
Likes: 58
Quoting: Jah1722
There’s zero chance the ducks take the deal as is. Liljegren doesn’t even get it done. He’s definitely not overkill.

Leafs would definitely be the ones losing this trade as is. Rielly is the best player in the deal and Johnsson would be the Ducks 2nd best winger. Bracco is almost ready prospect with top 6 potential. Thats more than enough for two defensemen who can barely crack 30 points in a season. More I break this trade down the worse it looks for the Leafs
Dec 4, 2019 at 2:33
#8
First NY Then LA
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 14,590
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Quoting: Jah1722
There’s zero chance the ducks take the deal as is. Liljegren doesn’t even get it done. He’s definitely not overkill.


Don't argue with this guy any more. It's a waste of your time (and ours reading it). He has no clue.
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Dec 4, 2019 at 2:36
#9
Jah1722
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Quoting: BigAnderson
Leafs would definitely be the ones losing this trade as is. Rielly is the best player in the deal and Johnsson would be the Ducks 2nd best winger. Bracco is almost ready prospect with top 6 potential. Thats more than enough for two defensemen who can barely crack 30 points in a season. More I break this trade down the worse it looks for the Leafs


Lol you’re funny. Johnsson is a 3 rd line winger on any team. He’s not that good. Nick Ritchie is heads and shoulder better than him. Rielly is the quality offensive D man every team needs but I wouldn’t take him over Lindholm. You would tho because you like giving up goals. Bracco is a 22 yr old who’s yet to even see NHL ice. He has little to now value. Liljegren is a decent prospect but ANA already has to guys in the 21-22 age range that are at the put up or shut up time. Don’t need another one.
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Dec 4, 2019 at 2:37
#10
First NY Then LA
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Lindholm is the Ducks' best defensive d-man on a defense that is superior to Toronto's. Rielly is below average defensively and his 0.7 ppg av (on a much better offensive team) doesn't exceed Lindholm's 0.6 ppg av significantly when you consider that Lindholm has been below par the entire year and all Rielly has to do to get a decent chance at an assist is get the puck across the centre line. Manson is Anaheim's sole NHL-quality RD and the Ducks aren't trading him for Johnsson and two maybes not named Caufield and Byram.
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Dec 4, 2019 at 2:38
#11
First NY Then LA
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Quoting: Jah1722
Lol you’re funny. Johnsson is a 3 rd line winger on any team. He’s not that good. Nick Ritchie is heads and shoulder better than him. Rielly is the quality offensive D man every team needs but I wouldn’t take him over Lindholm. You would tho because you like giving up goals. Bracco is a 22 yr old who’s yet to even see NHL ice. He has little to now value. Liljegren is a decent prospect but ANA already has to guys in the 21-22 age range that are at the put up or shut up time. Don’t need another one.


Too late.
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Dec 4, 2019 at 2:38
#12
Jah1722
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Don't argue with this guy any more. It's a waste of your time (and ours reading it). He has no clue.


Lol my bad. I had to look up and make sure Johnsson wasn’t as good as Ritchie and I was right.
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Dec 4, 2019 at 4:12
#13
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 195
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Quoting: Jah1722
Lol you’re funny. Johnsson is a 3 rd line winger on any team. He’s not that good. Nick Ritchie is heads and shoulder better than him. Rielly is the quality offensive D man every team needs but I wouldn’t take him over Lindholm. You would tho because you like giving up goals. Bracco is a 22 yr old who’s yet to even see NHL ice. He has little to now value. Liljegren is a decent prospect but ANA already has to guys in the 21-22 age range that are at the put up or shut up time. Don’t need another one.

Johnsson put up more goals and points in his first full year in the nhl last year than Ritchie ever has. Rielly has better possession rate than both Lindholm and Manson and scored 28 more points than the two of them combined last year. Last time I checked the way to win in hockey is to score more than your opponent. Lot easier to not get scored on when you have the puck.
Dec 4, 2019 at 4:28
#14
Jah1722
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Quoting: BigAnderson
Johnsson put up more goals and points in his first full year in the nhl last year than Ritchie ever has. Rielly has better possession rate than both Lindholm and Manson and scored 28 more points than the two of them combined last year. Last time I checked the way to win in hockey is to score more than your opponent. Lot easier to not get scored on when you have the puck.


Except TOR was among the bottom 5-7 in allowing opponents zone time last season.
Dec 4, 2019 at 4:36
#15
Thread Starter
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The amount of back and forth arguments from both sides leads me to believe the deal is pretty close.
An extra 7th round pick should get it done...
 
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