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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 4, 2019
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Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:32 p.m.
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No way rangers go for that
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Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:32 p.m.
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lol on the rangers trade. at this point if you want them to even listen on DeAngelo and Georgiev you will have to include A LOT more.
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Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:33 p.m.
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Deangelo is on pace for like 60 points so thats a no
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Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:33 p.m.
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lol on the rangers trade. at this point if you want them to even listen on DeAngelo and Georgiev you will have to include A LOT more.


neither are overly fantastic players
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Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:39 p.m.
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Add Nylander or a 1st + Sandin and it's close. This is a decent haul for just Georgiev...Deangelo is another beast entirely...
Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:40 p.m.
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Add Nylander or a 1st + Sandin and it's close. This is a decent haul for just Georgiev...Deangelo is another beast entirely...


lmao
Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:43 p.m.
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lmao


I mean what would you pay for a top 15 scoring Dman?
Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:44 p.m.
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I mean what would you pay for a top 15 scoring Dman?


Screw the rest. lets just do Matthews for DeAngelo
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Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:44 p.m.
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lmao


Rangers have a better record than the Leafs. DeAngelo and Georgiev are a big reason why that is.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:47 p.m.
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Quoting: mondo
neither are overly fantastic players


DeAngelo is on pace for 60 points when playing 18 minutes per game, he's one of a very few rangers defenseman without a negative +/-, his underlying statistics are great and he's cleaned up his defensive play and "issues" significantly. Georgiev is a fringe starter at only 23 years old, his GSAA has always been a strong metric despite his low minutes, avg under 3.00 GAA on a bad rangers team the last three years and well.. is also the best weapon the rangers have against Toronto
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28 2019-03-23 28 23-041 NYR @ TOR W W 1 45 44 .978 0 0 61:38
19 2019-02-10 19 23-000 NYR TOR W W 1 56 55 .982 0 0 60:00

you don't get them for a 3rd round pick and a 3rd line player.. we've made the mistake with thinking Namestnikov's performance would continue on a worse team.. not making it again
Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:49 p.m.
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Quoting: mondo
lmao


Nylander for DeAngelo and Georgiev is a lot closer than you think
Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:52 p.m.
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DeAngelo is on pace for 60 points when playing 18 minutes per game, he's one of a very few rangers defenseman without a negative +/-, his underlying statistics are great and he's cleaned up his defensive play and "issues" significantly. Georgiev is a fringe starter at only 23 years old, his GSAA has always been a strong metric despite his low minutes, avg under 3.00 GAA on a bad rangers team the last three years and well.. is also the best weapon the rangers have against Toronto
Rk Date G Age Tm Opp DEC GA SA SV SV% SO PIM TOI
28 2019-03-23 28 23-041 NYR @ TOR W W 1 45 44 .978 0 0 61:38
19 2019-02-10 19 23-000 NYR TOR W W 1 56 55 .982 0 0 60:00

you don't get them for a 3rd round pick and a 3rd line player.. we've made the mistake with thinking Namestnikov's performance would continue on a worse team.. not making it again


deangelo is shooing high and has a ton of points on the pp, goalies are fickle and some ranger fans on here consider georgiev expendable. you're not getting the sun and moon for either of them.

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I mean what would you pay for a top 15 scoring Dman?


not nylander hahahaha
Dec. 4, 2019 at 1:55 p.m.
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Nylander for DeAngelo and Georgiev is a lot closer than you think


deangelo has a bad xGA/60 which is the area toronto is looking to improve. nylander is good across the board. toronto trading for deangelo is dumb in the first place but it makes no sense to overpay for a guy who doesn't help in their problem areas.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 2:09 p.m.
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deangelo is shooing high and has a ton of points on the pp, goalies are fickle and some ranger fans on here consider georgiev expendable. you're not getting the sun and moon for either of them.



not nylander hahahaha



I really don't think you've watched a ranger game at all this year.. His shooting percentage is up because he isn't just throwing it at the net from the point. The rangers finally have enough skill with Panarin/Kakko/Zib/Buch where it's free'd him up in the offensive zone and he actually has time and space to make plays or take a shot. ADA only has 6 powerplay points of his 19 which is just less than a third of his points so IDK what you mean by a ton of PP points.. so what you are saying is that Morgan Rielly isn't good either since 21 of his 72 points last year (-2 percentage points from ADA) or John Carlson with 33 of his 71 points last year (+16 percentage points) simply because they get a chunk of their points on the powerplay. Okay but continue to live in your fantasy...

Georgiev is expendable but that doesn't mean we have to give him up. We have another 3 years of control on him, we don't have to protect shesterkin in expansion, and lundqvist is gone come expansion (so georgiev can get protected). Yes goalies can be fickle, but that doesn't mean they are worth nothing. Take into account the Grubauer trade (probably butchered the spelling there), Martin Jones, Cory Schneider, etc. Just because goalies aren't needed (these are all prime examples) doesn't mean you get them ridiculously cheap. The return for Georgiev should MINIMALLY be what the rangers got for Talbot (which was a low ball offer since the rangers waited to long) which was 57th, 79th and 184th picks in the draft (2nd 3rd and 7th)-- which is just for Georgiev. I don't know if a team would give a 2nd for Johnsson and you only offered a 3rd in addition. So this offer barely gets Georgiev, let alone ADA.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 2:13 p.m.
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I really don't think you've watched a ranger game at all this year.. His shooting percentage is up because he isn't just throwing it at the net from the point. The rangers finally have enough skill with Panarin/Kakko/Zib/Buch where it's free'd him up in the offensive zone and he actually has time and space to make plays or take a shot. ADA only has 6 powerplay points of his 19 which is just less than a third of his points so IDK what you mean by a ton of PP points.. so what you are saying is that Morgan Rielly isn't good either since 21 of his 72 points last year (-2 percentage points from ADA) or John Carlson with 33 of his 71 points last year (+16 percentage points) simply because they get a chunk of their points on the powerplay. Okay but continue to live in your fantasy...

Georgiev is expendable but that doesn't mean we have to give him up. We have another 3 years of control on him, we don't have to protect shesterkin in expansion, and lundqvist is gone come expansion (so georgiev can get protected). Yes goalies can be fickle, but that doesn't mean they are worth nothing. Take into account the Grubauer trade (probably butchered the spelling there), Martin Jones, Cory Schneider, etc. Just because goalies aren't needed (these are all prime examples) doesn't mean you get them ridiculously cheap. The return for Georgiev should MINIMALLY be what the rangers got for Talbot (which was a low ball offer since the rangers waited to long) which was 57th, 79th and 184th picks in the draft (2nd 3rd and 7th)-- which is just for Georgiev. I don't know if a team would give a 2nd for Johnsson and you only offered a 3rd in addition. So this offer barely gets Georgiev, let alone ADA.


read my other post. deangelo wouldn't be a good fit on the leafs.

what i was saying was neither are worth what the other boneheads in this thread were asking for, like a 1st, nylander, sandin.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 2:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Sagecoll
Add Nylander or a 1st + Sandin and it's close. This is a decent haul for just Georgiev...Deangelo is another beast entirely...


Lmao... you are clueless
Dec. 4, 2019 at 2:20 p.m.
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No way rangers go for that

Just OS him in the offseason then I guess, you do realize that rangers can’t afford him right?

The point of this agm was not really the value on the trade. I would probably add a bit more from the leafs.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 2:21 p.m.
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Screw the rest. lets just do Matthews for DeAngelo

Leafs have to add lol.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 2:22 p.m.
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read my other post. deangelo wouldn't be a good fit on the leafs.

what i was saying was neither are worth what the other boneheads in this thread were asking for, like a 1st, nylander, sandin.


You cannot say a player "isn't needed" off of only one metric (of which he is better Ceci, Rielly, Muzzin). Regardless, I don't think that toronto needs ADA since they really need more size and grit to be able to touch the Bruins, Caps, etc. As much as ADA does grit, he doesn't have the full size that Boston and those teams have. A 7 game series is grueling and idk if they'll ever have what it takes to get past a team like that (until Boston ages out of contention). Throw in the fact the locker room problems they've had this year and it doesn't bode well.

In terms of sheer value, ADA+Georgiev is closer to Nylander than you think, but no toronto doesn't give that up.
I think Sandin could definitely be had but that would imply toronto going all in (I do think a pick would have to be added by toronto with Sandin, probably a 2nd or 3rd rounder or something to really entice the rangers to accept)-- it's really a WIN NOW move for Toronto with the long game taking a hit.. similar to the Brassard for Zibanejad and a 2nd rounder was when the rangers traded him to Ottawa
Dec. 4, 2019 at 2:24 p.m.
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"Trump to the Leafs." Heck no. The Leafs have enough right wingers. Even worse, the Leafs have enough players already who are all talk, don't want to work and feel so entitled. Don't want another.
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Dec. 4, 2019 at 2:25 p.m.
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You cannot say a player "isn't needed" off of only one metric (of which he is better Ceci, Rielly, Muzzin). Regardless, I don't think that toronto needs ADA since they really need more size and grit to be able to touch the Bruins, Caps, etc. As much as ADA does grit, he doesn't have the full size that Boston and those teams have. A 7 game series is grueling and idk if they'll ever have what it takes to get past a team like that (until Boston ages out of contention). Throw in the fact the locker room problems they've had this year and it doesn't bode well.

In terms of sheer value, ADA+Georgiev is closer to Nylander than you think, but no toronto doesn't give that up.
I think Sandin could definitely be had but that would imply toronto going all in (I do think a pick would have to be added by toronto with Sandin, probably a 2nd or 3rd rounder or something to really entice the rangers to accept)-- it's really a WIN NOW move for Toronto with the long game taking a hit.. similar to the Brassard for Zibanejad and a 2nd rounder was when the rangers traded him to Ottawa


Toronto could just put sandin in now and forego this trade.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 2:29 p.m.
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You cannot say a player "isn't needed" off of only one metric (of which he is better Ceci, Rielly, Muzzin). Regardless, I don't think that toronto needs ADA since they really need more size and grit to be able to touch the Bruins, Caps, etc. As much as ADA does grit, he doesn't have the full size that Boston and those teams have. A 7 game series is grueling and idk if they'll ever have what it takes to get past a team like that (until Boston ages out of contention). Throw in the fact the locker room problems they've had this year and it doesn't bode well.


they don't need another pp guy and they need someone who can pair with well with rielly. deangelo is not that player
Dec. 4, 2019 at 2:41 p.m.
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Toronto could just put sandin in now and forego this trade.


I don't disagree.. but ADA right now is still better than Sandin.. in 2-3 years this may not be the case.. so as i stated its a pure win now move by toronto

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they don't need another pp guy and they need someone who can pair with well with rielly. deangelo is not that player


Agreed, but he still would help out more than the current RHD (see statement above so i don't have to repeat on Sandin)
Dec. 4, 2019 at 3:00 p.m.
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Lmao... you are clueless


lol just going by the comparables... Montour traded less than a year ago for a 1st + top 100 prospect. He put up 0.76 pts/60. Deangelo is putting up 1.27 pts/60. Good for top 20 in the league. Tied with guys like Sergachev and Dougie. Ahead of Muzzin and Barrie. If Montour is going for a 1st + top 100 prospect. I'm thinking a 1st + top 50 prospect (Sandin is the only one in that range) is being generous. We're talking Seth Jones, Dougie Hamilton level haul just based on the stats and comparables.
Dec. 4, 2019 at 3:09 p.m.
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lol just going by the comparables... Montour traded less than a year ago for a 1st + top 100 prospect. He put up 0.76 pts/60. Deangelo is putting up 1.27 pts/60. Good for top 20 in the league. Tied with guys like Sergachev and Dougie. Ahead of Muzzin and Barrie. If Montour is going for a 1st + top 100 prospect. I'm thinking a 1st + top 50 prospect (Sandin is the only one in that range) is being generous. We're talking Seth Jones, Dougie Hamilton level haul just based on the stats and comparables.


Lol... that’s all funny but seriously... you do understand that you aren’t getting all of that for Deangelo right?
 
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