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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 6, 2019
Published: Dec. 6, 2019
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Trades
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TOR
  1. DeSmith, Casey
  2. McCann, Jared
  3. 2020 6th round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Hutchinson, Michael
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
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Dec. 6, 2019 at 5:27 p.m.
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McCann has been amazing for the pens. I highly doubt they trade him unless it’s an upgrade
Dec. 6, 2019 at 5:38 p.m.
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McCann has been amazing for the pens. I highly doubt they trade him unless it’s an upgrade


Im telling you right now, you'd be robbing the Leafs blind in that trade. Mango is really, really good.

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Dec. 6, 2019 at 5:57 p.m.
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Im telling you right now, you'd be robbing the Leafs blind in that trade. Mango is really, really good.

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How are they robbing the leafs blind when McCann is out producing Johnsson? They’re both solid young players
Dec. 6, 2019 at 5:57 p.m.
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How are they robbing the leafs blind when McCann is out producing Johnsson? They’re both solid young players


Play > points
Dec. 6, 2019 at 5:59 p.m.
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Play > points


Ok leafs fan. You’re really living up to the stereotype of leafs fans thinking their players are the better than everyone else’s
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Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:07 p.m.
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Ok leafs fan. You’re really living up to the stereotype of leafs fans thinking their players are the better than everyone else’s


Have to agree here, yes Johnsson May or may not be the better player, I would say they are close to value in trade but don’t the pens have enough players on ir?
Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:10 p.m.
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Have to agree here, yes Johnsson May or may not be the better player, I would say they are close to value in trade but don’t the pens have enough players on ir?


Yeah they have similar value and both solid young players. IDK who Johnsson plays with majority of his ice time, but Mccann is producing without Crosby and Malkin, and that goes a long way. And yeah, the IR has been nothing but rotating players on and off since the preseason. They've only played 2 full healthy periods this season
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Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:13 p.m.
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McCann has been amazing for the pens. I highly doubt they trade him unless it’s an upgrade


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Im telling you right now, you'd be robbing the Leafs blind in that trade. Mango is really, really good.

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Johnsson is a really good player in my opinion, he’s fast, tenacious and really effective on the forecheck. I know his advanced stats and analytics say he’s better, but McCann is the more skilled and talented player. He’s on pace for 30 goals and 60 points this season plus he’s played most of the season on a line with Kahun and Tanev. Johnsson’s got to play with Nylander and Matthews all year, so it’s definitely helped his stats. McCann has great hands, great stick handling, great puck protection and a good shot. He plays well defensively and is used in all situations. We are starting to see why McCann was a first round pick. The Penguins will do everything in their power to keep him. The Crosby-Malkin-McCann Center duo could become the best in the league.
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Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:14 p.m.
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Yeah they have similar value and both solid young players. IDK who Johnsson plays with majority of his ice time, but Mccann is producing without Crosby and Malkin, and that goes a long way. And yeah, the IR has been nothing but rotating players on and off since the preseason. They've only played 2 full healthy periods this season


Johnsson does play mainly with Matthews but certainly generates his own offence. He produces at the same rate no matter who he plays with.

I don’t see anything to lure the pens into this trade.
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Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:17 p.m.
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Johnsson does play mainly with Matthews but certainly generates his own offence. He produces at the same rate no matter who he plays with.

I don’t see anything to lure the pens into this trade.


Yeah I think both teams say no. Its just swapping 2 good young wingers and the leafs adding a backup goalie that has a decent cap hit
Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:17 p.m.
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Ok leafs fan. You’re really living up to the stereotype of leafs fans thinking their players are the better than everyone else’s


I know. Those damn Leafs fans thinking their top 6 winger is better than a middle 6 winger.
The irony is ****ing great, Pens fan.
Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:17 p.m.
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Yeah I think both teams say no. Its just swapping 2 good young wingers and the leafs adding a backup goalie that has a decent cap hit


Think the leafs would take this trade, Pens say no.
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Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:18 p.m.
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I know. Those damn Leafs fans thinking their top 6 winger is better than a middle 6 winger.


Yup. That leaf top 6 winger playing with an elite center getting out produced by a middle 6 center* is so much better
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Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:19 p.m.
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Yup. That leaf top 6 winger playing with an elite center getting out produced by a middle 6 center* is so much better


play > points.
Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:19 p.m.
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Yeah I think both teams say no. Its just swapping 2 good young wingers and the leafs adding a backup goalie that has a decent cap hit


Doesn't McCann play center?
Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:20 p.m.
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play > points.


Ok then so how is McCann playing lately?
Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:21 p.m.
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Doesn't McCann play center?


Right now, yes. Im not too sure whats going to happen when crosby and bjugstad comes back
Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:24 p.m.
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Right now, yes. Im not too sure whats going to happen when crosby and bjugstad comes back


How's he doing playing C? He looked really good in the few Pens games I've watched this season but don't know if he was playing C or wing.

As for this trade I wouldn't do it if I was Rutherford, McCann is far more valuable then Johnsson imo.
Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:26 p.m.
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Ok then so how is McCann playing lately?


Well, but mango has been better. I don't think McCann sucks if that is what you are insinuating
Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:28 p.m.
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Well, but mango has been better. I don't think McCann sucks if that is what you are insinuating


No, im asking you to explain. You say Johnsson is better, but not backing up what hes better at. Hes playing with superstar centers and hes getting out produced by McCann who is carrying his own line without malkin and crosby
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Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:30 p.m.
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With that draft card, I can just see Dubas standing up in the middle of the last round and yelling, "Is there anyone here who hasn't been drafted yet?"
Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:48 p.m.
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Right now, yes. Im not too sure whats going to happen when crosby and bjugstad comes back


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How's he doing playing C? He looked really good in the few Pens games I've watched this season but don't know if he was playing C or wing.

As for this trade I wouldn't do it if I was Rutherford, McCann is far more valuable then Johnsson imo.


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McCann has been amazing for the pens. I highly doubt they trade him unless it’s an upgrade


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Im telling you right now, you'd be robbing the Leafs blind in that trade. Mango is really, really good.

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Honestly I think McCann is the best center the Penguins have had (besides Sid and Geno of course) since Jordan Staal.
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Dec. 6, 2019 at 6:56 p.m.
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No, im asking you to explain. You say Johnsson is better, but not backing up what hes better at. Hes playing with superstar centers and hes getting out produced by McCann who is carrying his own line without malkin and crosby


Are you sure you're actually interested in the answer, because many reject it.
Dec. 6, 2019 at 7:00 p.m.
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Are you sure you're actually interested in the answer, because many reject it.


Yes I am. Because you called Mccann a middle 6 winger, which isn't even his position, and Johnnson a top 6 winger.
Dec. 6, 2019 at 7:18 p.m.
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Yes I am. Because you called Mccann a middle 6 winger, which isn't even his position, and Johnnson a top 6 winger.


Well to start there is the easiest one. McCann is shooting nearly twice his career average. Shooting % is extremely volatile and can change on a dime. It also inflates stats and has little relation to the actual play of a player. To give context on what a good shooting % looks like (and why McCann's is unsustainable), here is one of the best goal scorers of the last decade (stats from here):
McCann: 17.3% (Career 9.5%)
Johnsson: 9.1% (Career 13%)
Stammer: 10% (Career 16.7%)

Here is the twins RAPM model (3 year sample):
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Twins RAPM model (1 year sample):
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Here are the microstats for them. These are tracked manually by one person, hence the sample sizes being lower. First one is the 3 year, next is the one year.
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So what do these all show? McCann is not good on the PP in as many minutes and Mango is, McCann actually being below average.
The one year RAPM shows McCann is better defensively, but not good at driving play offensively (your claim he drives a line is factually incorrect). The one thing McCann is getting offensively is results (see the above shooting %), more so than Mango and at an extremely high rate in general (nearly 3 standard deviations from average).
Going on career numbers Mango is better at everything other than limiting xGA where McCann is only above average in that category.

The Microstats show things like transition and such. McCann is better at some things, but Mango has been better at nearly everything this year (hence my play > points post) and has generally been better over his career.

McCann is s good 3rd line winger, Johnsson is a good 2nd line winger. I like them both but Toronto would be getting killed in this trade proposed here.
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