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Dec. 7, 2019 at 12:37 a.m.
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MTL decline, Scandella isn’t worth J.Olofsson
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Dec. 7, 2019 at 12:52 a.m.
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The 1st trade is a catastrophic nightmare for Buffalo. Subban's play has fallen off a cliff and Hall is a UFA rental. Our 1st rounder is untouchable as well.
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Dec. 7, 2019 at 12:56 a.m.
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MTL decline, Scandella isn’t worth J.Olofsson


I didnt know much about him honestly just liked the name but my intention was trading for one of Montreal's displaced center prospects, with the influx theyve had
Dec. 7, 2019 at 1:10 a.m.
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I didnt know much about him honestly just liked the name but my intention was trading for one of Montreal's displaced center prospects, with the influx theyve had


McShane is a good target for a guy like Scandella
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Dec. 7, 2019 at 2:07 a.m.
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the penguins aren't going to pay 4 million a year for a guy playing 3RD.
They have Letang and Marino in the top 2 spots next year. They will find a more reasonable cost guy at 3RD.
Dec. 7, 2019 at 3:25 a.m.
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the penguins aren't going to pay 4 million a year for a guy playing 3RD.
They have Letang and Marino in the top 2 spots next year. They will find a more reasonable cost guy at 3RD.

A. Jack Johnson
B. Just wait till that kid regresses, its been 26 games and hes a 6th round pick. Im still nervous about Olofsson and you guys are already building a statue for Marino. Having the mentally, 'cant pick up any defenseman cause we have Marino' is pretty dangerous.
C. You know Miller isnt a 3rd pair dman.
D. 3-4 mill is about average for a 2nd pair dman. Anything less youre gambling or its an elc
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Dec. 7, 2019 at 3:31 a.m.
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A. Jack Johnson
B. Just wait till that kid regresses, its been 26 games and hes a 6th round pick. Im still nervous about Olofsson and you guys are already building a statue for Marino. Having the mentally, 'cant pick up any defenseman cause we have Marino' is pretty dangerous.
C. You know Miller isnt a 3rd pair dman.
D. 3-4 mill is about average for a 2nd pair dman. Anything less youre gambling or its an elc


No he's not a 2nd pair dman, he's a 3rd pair dman in pittsburgh. So I don't even know why you bother than nonsense.
Especially after I posted their top 2 above.
And everyone wants to dump JJ. Partly because of that 3 million salary.
You seem to want to knock Marino...oh wait till he regresses......then we'll all be so sorry we didn't take a 4 million dollar 3rd pairing guy.
Bye with nonsense.
Dec. 7, 2019 at 3:43 a.m.
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No he's not a 2nd pair dman, he's a 3rd pair dman in pittsburgh. So I don't even know why you bother than nonsense.
Especially after I posted their top 2 above.
And everyone wants to dump JJ. Partly because of that 3 million salary.
You seem to want to knock Marino...oh wait till he regresses......then we'll all be so sorry we didn't take a 4 million dollar 3rd pairing guy.
Bye with nonsense.


Yeah what im saying is nonsense. Lets just hang our d corp on a 6th round pick because he played well for 1/3 of the season and go for a budget guy instead of a known 2nd pair guy cause itll save you a million towards the cap hit. You aim to get a bottom pair dman (where, who knows) instead of having a 2nd pair guy on your bottom pair to save a minuscule amount of cap space
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Dec. 7, 2019 at 7:19 a.m.
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No he's not a 2nd pair dman, he's a 3rd pair dman in pittsburgh. So I don't even know why you bother than nonsense.
Especially after I posted their top 2 above.
And everyone wants to dump JJ. Partly because of that 3 million salary.
You seem to want to knock Marino...oh wait till he regresses......then we'll all be so sorry we didn't take a 4 million dollar 3rd pairing guy.
Bye with nonsense.


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the penguins aren't going to pay 4 million a year for a guy playing 3RD.
They have Letang and Marino in the top 2 spots next year. They will find a more reasonable cost guy at 3RD.


Back up for a second... you are LITERALLY the person who was defending Johnson AND GUBRANSON as third paying D man and were trying to justify their salaries... And yet are bashing this trade proposal because pens acquire a really under the radar top 4 D whose leaps and bounds better than Gudbranson or Johnson because “pens aren’t paying a guy 4 million to Play bottom pairing” LMAOOOOO.
That’s the most hypocritical argument you could possibly make. I remember getting into so many arguments with you over how bad the Johnson/Gubranson contracts were and you defended them lol. I don’t understand your logic one bit

Johnson+gubranson @ 7.25 million = okay
But
Collin Miller @ around 4 million isn’t reasonable???

LMAOOOO
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Dec. 7, 2019 at 7:20 a.m.
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Yeah what im saying is nonsense. Lets just hang our d corp on a 6th round pick because he played well for 1/3 of the season and go for a budget guy instead of a known 2nd pair guy cause itll save you a million towards the cap hit. You aim to get a bottom pair dman (where, who knows) instead of having a 2nd pair guy on your bottom pair to save a minuscule amount of cap space


Not even worth the argument dude. I would be ALL over that trade as a pens fan.
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Dec. 7, 2019 at 9:30 a.m.
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Yeah what im saying is nonsense. Lets just hang our d corp on a 6th round pick because he played well for 1/3 of the season and go for a budget guy instead of a known 2nd pair guy cause itll save you a million towards the cap hit. You aim to get a bottom pair dman (where, who knows) instead of having a 2nd pair guy on your bottom pair to save a minuscule amount of cap space


Plus you know, let's just throw the young second year kid right into the fire going against guys on the second line like... McDavid (yes, Drai was their 1C yesterday, idk why lol) not get a really good guy who would be "bottom pair" but would take the tougher matches likely
Dec. 7, 2019 at 9:30 a.m.
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Can we not give up zar, I'd rather give Galch or Bjugs+a pick/spec
Dec. 7, 2019 at 9:40 a.m.
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I didnt know much about him honestly just liked the name but my intention was trading for one of Montreal's displaced center prospects, with the influx theyve had


Montreal wouldn’t mind trading Jacob Olofsson at all, because of all of the C prospects they have, but not for Scandella. The need isn’t really there, since he isn’t that much of an upgrade over Kulak/Reilly/Leskinen.
Dec. 7, 2019 at 10:34 a.m.
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Back up for a second... you are LITERALLY the person who was defending Johnson AND GUBRANSON as third paying D man and were trying to justify their salaries... And yet are bashing this trade proposal because pens acquire a really under the radar top 4 D whose leaps and bounds better than Gudbranson or Johnson because “pens aren’t paying a guy 4 million to Play bottom pairing” LMAOOOOO.
That’s the most hypocritical argument you could possibly make. I remember getting into so many arguments with you over how bad the Johnson/Gubranson contracts were and you defended them lol. I don’t understand your logic one bit

Johnson+gubranson @ 7.25 million = okay
But
Collin Miller @ around 4 million isn’t reasonable???

LMAOOOO


That is a bold face lie. I never once justified Gudbranson salary. I multiple times said he was over paid for a 3rd pairing guy.
But I did say he played well.
You just continuously make **** up as you go.
I also defended him because he was the only one on this team willing and able to stick up for his team mates and that IS necessary in the game unfortunately.
They didn't and currently don't have ANYONE else to fill that role!
My god pull your head out your ass.
I have never justified either Gudbranson or JJ salaries. EVER.
But I unlike the rest of you saps also don't knock their play when they are playing well.
My god, I live in your heads rent free as you just come out here and BS things all over the place.
Go find me one post on here were I said paying Gudbranson 4 million a year was ok, where?
It never happened.
Nor that JJ was worth 3+.
Do yourself a favor, don't replay if all you got is imaginary crap falling out your mouth.
Dec. 7, 2019 at 10:38 a.m.
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Yeah what im saying is nonsense. Lets just hang our d corp on a 6th round pick because he played well for 1/3 of the season and go for a budget guy instead of a known 2nd pair guy cause itll save you a million towards the cap hit. You aim to get a bottom pair dman (where, who knows) instead of having a 2nd pair guy on your bottom pair to save a minuscule amount of cap space


what nonsense.
IF Marino was suiting up in a Buffalo uniform those words would never come out your mouth. You'd be over there saying how great he is.
But you come on here pissed and bitter because reality doesn't work like it does in your fantasy world in your head.
Marino has played great. There is no reason at all anyone has to expect he won't continue to play great. And they will go with that next year. It's pretty clear at this point. He might be the 2nd best defense man on the whole team at this point.
He's looking like he has 1RD potential.
But yeah, he totally sucks, it's 1/3 a season yap yap and all other BS excuses.
But if he played for Buffalo you wouldn't shut up about how good he was.
what a homer. All other players suck but Buffalo's
Dec. 7, 2019 at 11:26 a.m.
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That is a bold face lie. I never once justified Gudbranson salary. I multiple times said he was over paid for a 3rd pairing guy.
But I did say he played well.
You just continuously make **** up as you go.
I also defended him because he was the only one on this team willing and able to stick up for his team mates and that IS necessary in the game unfortunately.
They didn't and currently don't have ANYONE else to fill that role!
My god pull your head out your ass.
I have never justified either Gudbranson or JJ salaries. EVER.
But I unlike the rest of you saps also don't knock their play when they are playing well.
My god, I live in your heads rent free as you just come out here and BS things all over the place.
Go find me one post on here were I said paying Gudbranson 4 million a year was ok, where?
It never happened.
Nor that JJ was worth 3+.
Do yourself a favor, don't replay if all you got is imaginary crap falling out your mouth.


thats funny because I VIVIDLY remember making armchair GM teams (and other people as well) with JJ/Gudbranson trades and you said they weren't necessary (specifically gudbranson). You were fine with Gudbranson on the third pairing and didnt want him traded. of course you're going to deny it now that hes been traded and its been proven that hes a pylon. he had a handful of good games in Pittsburgh and was a pylon for the remaining 99% of his career.
Dec. 7, 2019 at 11:35 a.m.
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Montreal wouldn’t mind trading Jacob Olofsson at all, because of all of the C prospects they have, but not for Scandella. The need isn’t really there, since he isn’t that much of an upgrade over Kulak/Reilly/Leskinen.


He's been very good this year, would say hes easily an upgrade over them, but i would think age and UFA status would be more of the issue
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what nonsense.
IF Marino was suiting up in a Buffalo uniform those words would never come out your mouth. You'd be over there saying how great he is.
But you come on here pissed and bitter because reality doesn't work like it does in your fantasy world in your head.
Marino has played great. There is no reason at all anyone has to expect he won't continue to play great. And they will go with that next year. It's pretty clear at this point. He might be the 2nd best defense man on the whole team at this point.
He's looking like he has 1RD potential.
But yeah, he totally sucks, it's 1/3 a season yap yap and all other BS excuses.
But if he played for Buffalo you wouldn't shut up about how good he was.
what a homer. All other players suck but Buffalo's

I literally told you I'm still nervous about Olofsson dropping off. Thats the closest comparison the Sabres have
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He's been very good this year, would say hes easily an upgrade over them, but i would think age and UFA status would be more of the issue


He would be an upgrade, I just don’t think the price warrants Montreal’s overall benefit.
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thats funny because I VIVIDLY remember making armchair GM teams (and other people as well) with JJ/Gudbranson trades and you said they weren't necessary (specifically gudbranson). You were fine with Gudbranson on the third pairing and didnt want him traded. of course you're going to deny it now that hes been traded and its been proven that hes a pylon. he had a handful of good games in Pittsburgh and was a pylon for the remaining 99% of his career.


Being fine with a player on the bottom pair because the team has no one else on it to be a deterrent for running your players and thinking he is an over paid 3rd pairing are two different things.
There ARE multiple post on here of me saying he's over paid, but they DON"T have anyone else to fill that role. AND if they were to trade him, they would need to bring someone else back in to fill it.

You just keep making stuff up as you go. I must VIVIDLY live rent free in your head.
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I literally told you I'm still nervous about Olofsson dropping off. Thats the closest comparison the Sabres have


The Sabres don't have a comparison. No on is out there saying. Yeah Marker is going to drop off a cliff next year.
In Marino you got guys giving him Calder votes because not only is he playing well, he's so good he's propping up Jack Johnson and covering for his deficits in most of those games.
But here is you......he's gonna suck next year.
GFO with that homer.
Dec. 7, 2019 at 10:59 p.m.
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The Sabres don't have a comparison. No on is out there saying. Yeah Marker is going to drop off a cliff next year.
In Marino you got guys giving him Calder votes because not only is he playing well, he's so good he's propping up Jack Johnson and covering for his deficits in most of those games.
But here is you......he's gonna suck next year.
GFO with that homer.


Youre comparing Marino to Makar and I'm the homer ROFL. No one thinks Makar is going to drop off because he's been dominant for the last 3 years not pretty good for 3 months
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Youre comparing Marino to Makar and I'm the homer ROFL. No one thinks Makar is going to drop off because he's been dominant for the last 3 years not pretty good for 3 months


no one compared Marino to Makar.
The point is pretty clear. You have a young player playing well and no one else is going....he's gonna suck next year.
And Makar hasn't been dominate at the NHL level for 3 years, he's a rookie!
And if you want to count the NCAA, Marino has played well in the NCAA too!!

You just keep harping your homer view....oh he sucks he's going to regress.
No one watching him play thinks that, at all.
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no one compared Marino to Makar.
The point is pretty clear. You have a young player playing well and no one else is going....he's gonna suck next year.

Quoting: pharrow
No on is out there saying. Yeah Marker is going to drop off a cliff next year.


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And Makar hasn't been dominate at the NHL level for 3 years, he's a rookie!

I never said Makar has been dominant in the NHL for 3 years, I said he has been dominant for last 3 years. He had forward numbers in the AJHL and was a complete beast for UMASS

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And if you want to count the NCAA, Marino has played well in the NCAA too!!

Oh yeah, you were watching Oilers prospects for the last couple years? 3 goals 11 points dash 3 last year at Harvard (after DROPPING OFF from his previous year at Harvard), seems pretty mediocre, probably why he was traded for a 6th.

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You just keep harping your homer view....oh he sucks he's going to regress.
No one watching him play thinks that, at all.

I don't even know how this is a homer view. Its just logical. I wish the kid the best and never said he wasn't an NHLer, nor did I ever say he sucked. I'm actually pretty convinced your not even reading comments. Some nights he looks like a top pair guy, some nights he looks like a future 2nd pair guy. But looking at his career so far its only logical to assume he will hit a wall and struggle at some point, especially if fans keep putting unrealistic expectations on his shoulders, and that drop off could be harsher than a Makar or Dahlin. Doesn't mean he's bad, doesn't mean he doesn't belong in the NHL, it only means he's a human
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I never said Makar has been dominant in the NHL for 3 years, I said he has been dominant for last 3 years. He had forward numbers in the AJHL and was a complete beast for UMASS


Oh yeah, you were watching Oilers prospects for the last couple years? 3 goals 11 points dash 3 last year at Harvard (after DROPPING OFF from his previous year at Harvard), seems pretty mediocre, probably why he was traded for a 6th.


I don't even know how this is a homer view. Its just logical. I wish the kid the best and never said he wasn't an NHLer, nor did I ever say he sucked. I'm actually pretty convinced your not even reading comments. Some nights he looks like a top pair guy, some nights he looks like a future 2nd pair guy. But looking at his career so far its only logical to assume he will hit a wall and struggle at some point, especially if fans keep putting unrealistic expectations on his shoulders, and that drop off could be harsher than a Makar or Dahlin. Doesn't mean he's bad, doesn't mean he doesn't belong in the NHL, it only means he's a human


he was traded for a 6th because he wouldn't sign.
Funny how he immediately went and made the roster and is now looking like the 2nd best defense man on the team.
I mean really it's a toss up between him and Dumo. And that's saying something.

You keep your homer views. Sure sure sure, he'll suck next year. Right ok. Bye Falicia.
 
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