ANA wont trade Manson, he's the only good RHD they have

You're probably right. But I think they're at a point where they should at least trade Getzlaf.

It's full rebuild time

I'd do the Ducks trade.

The Rangers one, that is overpayment IMO.
How about 2x 3rd rounders?

I like Moore alot.

Why full rebuild?

-They've got one of the top 2 goalies in the NHL (If not top).
-They've got a solid young core that is gaining experience this season (Comtois, Steel, Terry, Mahura, Guhle, Lundestrom), with guys like Olivier-Groulx and Morand coming along.

The Ducks are a top 4 RHD away from being a potential playoff team, and with their cap space next summer, are another piece away from being a scary team in the Pacific. Trading Manson only puts them farther than that away.

As for the return on the trade, there's certainly quantity there, but if they were open to moving Manson, there'd be higher quality offers.

I do too, but gotta give to get

Eh maybe I'm wrong. They do have a top goalie and a great prospect pool.

But I just don't see any good C depth at the NHL level. Getzlaf is past his best before date and Henrique is fine.

If one of their surplus of top forward prospects proves he can be an up and coming 1c I'll change my tune

None of that core is elite. They are good pieces but you need a franchise centre or two. Annahiem needs to move out what they can that is over 26 and start fresh.

Also Manson had one really good year 2 seasons ago and hasn't been blow the doors off at all since then. He's right handed and that makes people on her go wild for him but he's just a good right handed defensive defenceman. Players like him are great to have but they aren't superstars.

If Rasanen turns things around, man this trade would be good for Ducks.

Yo @palhal share some thoughts here please?

I do fully admit that it is a lot of good to okay pieces. But Manson is good himself. He isn't a stud or an all star. He just meets Toronto's needs

Essentially Kapanen is worth a late first, Bracco a second, an actual second, and Ransanen was drafted with a late second and I would argue still had that value.

Plus Ceci to make the cap work

Agreed but Georgiev does not have Moore plus 3rd value IMO though.

Manson is injured till January and here we go trading Ceci. IMO this season is lost. I'd rather just ride out the season, with Ceci gone (and no Manson) there is some cap space for next year. During the summer it might be necessary to trade Kapanen for cap reason to shore up the defence. But the trade is really Kapanen and a second for two full years of Manson. Ducks need Dman as much as the Leafs do, so I don't know if even doable.
Though I like Georgieuv trade, I wonder what his cap hit is going to be next season and the can Leafs afford him.

I like this idea better and I too like Moore more than most (no pun intended).

I don't think the Ducks are getting enough value here tho.

We can hope

That sounds about right to me. A 2nd and Timashov plus Hutch or a couple of 3rds and Hutchinson if they want him should suffice IMO.

What do you think about a trade with Columbus
To CBJ
Johnson+Ceci

To TML
Savard+Anderson

Maybe we throw in a pick? Thoughts.... BTW it was BCAPPs idea just giving credit where credit is due.

Manson isn’t on the trade block unless it’s an overpay by the leafs

Bracco is not worth a second. A 22 yr old that hasn’t played a second in the nhl isn't worth a second.

Perhaps I'm overeating him. He was second in AHL scoring last year. He remains what he was when drafted. An upside second rounder with low floor. Good scoring playmaker who's undersized

CBJ want to make the playoffs this year. So the trade is two NHLer for one NHLer and an injured NHLer, so CBJ declines. If you look at years of control....Johnsson and Ceci versus Savard and Anderson, CBJ declines.

Ok, I'll bite...What you're saying is to rip it apart because they're short on D? Here's a short list of teams with your coveted "franchise centers" that are really, really showing the world how hockey works:

The Leafs have 2 franchise centers, and will struggle to make the playoffs.
The Oilers have 2 franchise centers (granted, one is a winger now, then add RNH), and struggle to make the playoffs (Though they're leading the Pacific today).
The Panthers have what I would consider 2 franchise centers and haven't been making the playoffs.
The Sabres have a franchise center, also haven't been making the playoffs.
The Stars have one, that's went pretty well...

I'm sure I'm missing some obvious ones here, but this was just a quick browse.

The NHL today is all about depth, a strong D core, and being able to run 4 lines. Add a couple of RHD to the Ducks roster, and they have that. Start subtracting and you're wasting prime years of one of the best goalies in the NHL (If not the best).

End of the day, I'm not against trading anyone off of the Ducks, but it's gotta make sense, and this doesn't.

Actually, in @BCAPP OP he had Kapanen going instead of Johnsson and a CBJ fan told him to switch the two and it would probably be a deal.

You look at top AHL scorers in the past 50 years. Many of them hardly a whiff of the NHL. Just saying scoring stats from AHL, NCAA, Junior, KHL...kinda meaningless.
Bracco had a opportunity in the exhibition games this season to make an impact. I was surprised/disappointed that he couldn't up his game against teams that consisted of NHL/AHL and juniors. Don't wish Bracco any ill luck, but I can't see him having any impact at all in the NHL.

If you look at top AHL scorers under 24 though the list looks a lot better.

I am not saying he is a stud. I'm saying he is more or less the same value as when he was drafted. A 50something pick