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Give Bo a winger

Created by: Frog_guy
Initial Creation Date: Dec 7, 2019
Published: Dec 7, 2019 at 10:55
Team: 2019-20 Vancouver Canucks
Trades
VAN
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Sutter, Brandon
VAN
  1. Palmieri, Kyle
NJD
  1. Virtanen, Jake
  2. 2020 4th round pick (VAN)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
Buyouts
  • Ryan Spooner: $1,033,333
Recapture Fees
  • Roberto Luongo: $3,035,212
Buried
  • Sven Baertschi: $2,291,666 ($3,366,666)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
ANA
2021
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
2022
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$81,171,879$0$4,732,500$328,121
Left WingCenterRight Wing
VAN
Miller, J.T.
$5,250,000
LW
UFA - 4
VAN
Pettersson, Elias
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
VAN
Boeser, Brock
$5,875,000
RW
RFA - 3
VAN
Pearson, Tanner
$3,750,000
LW
UFA - 2
VAN
Horvat, Bo
$5,500,000
C
UFA - 4
NJD
Palmieri, Kyle
$4,650,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
VAN
Roussel, Antoine
$3,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
VAN
Gaudette, Adam
$916,667
C
RFA - 1
VAN
Leivo, Josh
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
VAN
Ferland, Micheal
$3,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
VAN
Beagle, Jay
$3,000,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
VAN
Motte, Tyler
$975,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
VAN
Eriksson, Loui
$6,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
VAN
Schaller, Tim
$1,900,000
LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
VAN
Edler, Alexander
$6,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
VAN
Myers, Tyler
$6,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
VAN
Markström, Jacob
$3,666,667
G
UFA - 1
VAN
Benn, Jordie
$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
VAN
Tanev, Christopher
$4,450,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
VAN
Demko, Thatcher
$1,050,000
G
RFA - 2
VAN
Hughes, Quinn
$916,667
LD
RFA - 2
VAN
Stecher, Troy
$2,325,000
RD
UFA - 1
VAN
DiPietro, Michael
$811,667
G
RFA - 3
VAN
Fantenberg, Oscar
$850,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Dec 7, 2019 at 11:03
#1
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That’s an easy no from both.

You will have to pay someone to take Sutter. 2nd and an JV does not get KP. 4th does not make up the difference.
Dec 7, 2019 at 11:05
#2
Along51
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How about Galchenyuk for Virtanen
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Dec 7, 2019 at 11:06
#3
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That Mtl trade is brutal for them. They already have 4 bottom line centermen...plus this guy is always hurt.
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Dec 7, 2019 at 11:34
#4
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Quoting: Gofnut999
That’s an easy no from both.

You will have to pay someone to take Sutter. 2nd and an JV does not get KP. 4th does not make up the difference.


Theres no way Sutter has negative value. Solid 3rd line centre who can help them keep the puck out of their net. Biggest thing going against him is he is overpaid, but habs have cap space, a ton of picks, and should want to push for the playoffs.
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Dec 8, 2019 at 12:06
#5
MisstheWhalers
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Quoting: Frog_guy
Theres no way Sutter has negative value. Solid 3rd line centre who can help them keep the puck out of their net. Biggest thing going against him is he is overpaid, but habs have cap space, a ton of picks, and should want to push for the playoffs.


I agree with you but Van probably needs to keep Sutter for all the reasons you listed.
Dec 8, 2019 at 7:55
#6
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
I agree with you but Van probably needs to keep Sutter for all the reasons you listed.

Nope. Pettersson, Horvat, Gaudette, Beagle, Schaller, MacEwan. We wouldn’t need Sutter
Dec 8, 2019 at 8:39
#7
MisstheWhalers
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Quoting: JummMinger
Nope. Pettersson, Horvat, Gaudette, Beagle, Schaller, MacEwan. We wouldn’t need Sutter


Schaller and Macewan have barely established themselves as NHLers.. Lol.. And Gaudette isn't exactly ready to go and play a shutdown game against other team's top players if that's even the kind of game he plays, having a center like Sutter is pretty valuable especially in the playoffs.
Dec 8, 2019 at 8:57
#8
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Montreal easily reject. You aren't going to get a 2nd round pick for something we already have tons of
Dec 8, 2019 at 9:30
#9
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Montreal easily reject. You aren't going to get a 2nd round pick for something we already have tons of


Do you though? Granted I dont watch your games, but KK had been struggling as 3C before the injury and Suzuki might be legit but I don't imagine him being a dependable guy in the D zone. You wanna hold your picks, but Price and Weber are gonna keep getting older, and theres spots in the atlantic up for grabs why not try and get someone to help win?
Dec 8, 2019 at 9:31
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Schaller and Macewan have barely established themselves as NHLers.. Lol.. And Gaudette isn't exactly ready to go and play a shutdown game against other team's top players if that's even the kind of game he plays, having a center like Sutter is pretty valuable especially in the playoffs.


I agree he is useful, but we got Beagle which just sorta makes him redundant. Dont see him bumping gaudette off 3C so then hes probably a 3rd line winger, Id much rather try and turn that into a 2nd line winger, and NJ is gonna blow it up .
Dec 8, 2019 at 9:36
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Quoting: Frog_guy
Do you though? Granted I dont watch your games, but KK had been struggling as 3C before the injury and Suzuki might be legit but I don't imagine him being a dependable guy in the D zone. You wanna hold your picks, but Price and Weber are gonna keep getting older, and theres spots in the atlantic up for grabs why not try and get someone to help win?


Wait are you serious?

KK doesn't have to put up points. He started out the season poorly. but right before his injury, his offense was starting to come again.

Suzuki is more dependable in his own zone than he is in the offensive zone. That's what makes him so good. You don't trade a 2nd round pick for an old veteran who will never play anything more than bottom 6. That's terrible asset management
Dec 8, 2019 at 10:57
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Wait are you serious?

KK doesn't have to put up points. He started out the season poorly. but right before his injury, his offense was starting to come again.

Suzuki is more dependable in his own zone than he is in the offensive zone. That's what makes him so good. You don't trade a 2nd round pick for an old veteran who will never play anything more than bottom 6. That's terrible asset management


You also dont win without those veteran guys (and sutter is only 30, not like has a fossil) who play in the defensive zone. It really comes down to if you honestly believe the canadians can and should try and make the playoffs. If its no, then you wouldnt trade that 2nd for like Taylor Hall if he isnt gonna re-sign, but why wouldnt you try and make your team better today, for the price of a 2nd round pick, when you already have 12 picks in this years draft?
Just curious would you trade a 3rd or a 4th? a 7th? what would be reasonable to you.
Dec 9, 2019 at 11:17
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Quoting: Frog_guy
You also dont win without those veteran guys (and sutter is only 30, not like has a fossil) who play in the defensive zone. It really comes down to if you honestly believe the canadians can and should try and make the playoffs. If its no, then you wouldnt trade that 2nd for like Taylor Hall if he isnt gonna re-sign, but why wouldnt you try and make your team better today, for the price of a 2nd round pick, when you already have 12 picks in this years draft?
Just curious would you trade a 3rd or a 4th? a 7th? what would be reasonable to you.


We already have the guys who play in the defensive end.

Both Thompson and Danault are defense first centers. I don't see a purpose in acquiring Sutter. I think we should keep the team the same and let it develop within. I don't see this year as a make or break the playoffs for the Canadiens.
Dec 9, 2019 at 2:10
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Quoting: HabsForEver
We already have the guys who play in the defensive end.

Both Thompson and Danault are defense first centers. I don't see a purpose in acquiring Sutter. I think we should keep the team the same and let it develop within. I don't see this year as a make or break the playoffs for the Canadiens.


There are no make or break years, all I am saying is trying to make the playoffs should be the goal. You got a good team, with a HOF goalie and D-man who are getting older, and a surprisingly winnable division (well not win, but 2nd or 3rd certainly attainable). Strike while the iron's hot and all that
Dec 9, 2019 at 2:35
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Quoting: Frog_guy
There are no make or break years, all I am saying is trying to make the playoffs should be the goal. You got a good team, with a HOF goalie and D-man who are getting older, and a surprisingly winnable division (well not win, but 2nd or 3rd certainly attainable). Strike while the iron's hot and all that


Why trade futures just to squeak into a playoff spot while the other teams get better and better. In order to win in this division, Asset management has to be the key. Let the other teams trade top picks for futures while we continue to grow.
 
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