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Colorado top team for Hall

Created by: Leafboy101
Initial Creation Date: Dec 8, 2019
Published: Dec 8, 2019 at 10:03
Team: 2019-20 Colorado Avalanche
Trades
COL
  1. Hall, Taylor ($3,000,000 retained)
NJD
  1. Timmins, Conor
  2. Barron, Travis
  3. O'Connor, Logan
  4. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
Buyouts
  • Brooks Orpik: $1,500,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Tyson Barrie: $2,750,000 (50%)
Buried
  • Kevin Connauton: $300,000 ($1,375,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
COL
TOR
COL
COL
FLA
COL
2021
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$73,324,761$0$3,532,500$8,175,239
Left WingCenterRight Wing
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
$5,571,429
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
$9,250,000
RW
UFA - 6
NJD
Hall, Taylor
$0
LW
UFA - 1
COL
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
COL
Burakovsky, André
$3,250,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
COL
Jost, Tyson
$885,833
C, LW, RW
RFA - 1
COL
Compher, J.T.
$3,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 4
COL
Donskoi, Joonas
$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 4
COL
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
$1,800,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
COL
Wilson, Colin
$2,600,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
COL
Calvert, Matt
$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
COL
Girard, Samuel
$728,333
LD
UFA - 1
COL
Johnson, Erik
$6,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
COL
Grubauer, Philipp
$3,333,333
G
UFA - 2
COL
Cole, Ian
$4,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
COL
Makar, Cale
$880,833
RD
RFA - 2
COL
Francouz, Pavel
$950,000
G
UFA - 1
COL
Zadorov, Nikita
$3,200,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
COL
Rosén, Calle
$750,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
COL
Nieto, Matt
$1,975,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
$850,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
COL
Barberio, Mark
$1,450,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Dec 8, 2019 at 10:57
#1
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If Jersey doesnt retain salary can we keep either the first or timmins
Dec 8, 2019 at 11:02
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Quoting: JeffW
If Jersey doesnt retain salary can we keep either the first or timmins


If they don’t retain salary then Colorado would have overages because of all the bonuses, but they could probably keep one of O’Connor or Barron.
Dec 8, 2019 at 11:14
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Quoting: Leafboy101
If they don’t retain salary then Colorado would have overages because of all the bonuses, but they could probably keep one of O’Connor or Barron.


Doubt it's enough to worry about, hall prorated for half a season is 3 mill anyway, and makar is the only one who is making any bonus', not enough to worry about
Dec 8, 2019 at 11:20
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Quoting: JeffW
Doubt it's enough to worry about, hall prorated for half a season is 3 mill anyway, and makar is the only one who is making any bonus', not enough to worry about


I think the trade the way it is the value looks good and both sides get what they would like. Do u agree?
Dec 8, 2019 at 11:29
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Quoting: Leafboy101
I think the trade the way it is the value looks good and both sides get what they would like. Do u agree?


Barron and oconnor are just filler, I'd like to keep timmins especially because salary retention isnt necessary in this case. Taylor hall is a good player but hes a rental in colorado unless he takes a massive pay cut, therefore should be less expensive than say mark stone who resigned right away. Colorado is already a top scoring team in the league with all the injuries they've had, how much are they really gaining in this trade.
Dec 8, 2019 at 11:42
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Quoting: JeffW
Barron and oconnor are just filler, I'd like to keep timmins especially because salary retention isnt necessary in this case. Taylor hall is a good player but hes a rental in colorado unless he takes a massive pay cut, therefore should be less expensive than say mark stone who resigned right away. Colorado is already a top scoring team in the league with all the injuries they've had, how much are they really gaining in this trade.


Uh you're modeling after the wrong trade....
Dec 8, 2019 at 11:43
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Quoting: Sagecoll
Uh you're modeling after the wrong trade....


Which trade should I be modeling it after?
Dec 8, 2019 at 12:18
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Quoting: JeffW
Which trade should I be modeling it after?


Well you're taking the last guy traded after an oversaturated market was filled (going from prices driven down by excessive supply to being driven down even further by how late he was traded - literally wasn't announced til past the deadline expired - and the GM who traded him - Dorion sucks.

You want to look at the players traded earlier in the process because they kinda set the market.

The players that did that the last 3 years was Duchene, Rick Nash, and Hanzal.

Hall beats all of them.

So you take the highest haul (Duchene) and have slightly better prospects. That would be something like: 1st + conditional 1st + Timmons + Beaucage
Dec 8, 2019 at 3:50
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Shouldn’t Colorado be more concerned about goaltending?
Dec 8, 2019 at 5:50
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Quoting: Bill_Karsen
Shouldn’t Colorado be more concerned about goaltending?


No
Dec 8, 2019 at 5:57
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Quoting: Sagecoll
Well you're taking the last guy traded after an oversaturated market was filled (going from prices driven down by excessive supply to being driven down even further by how late he was traded - literally wasn't announced til past the deadline expired - and the GM who traded him - Dorion sucks.

You want to look at the players traded earlier in the process because they kinda set the market.

The players that did that the last 3 years was Duchene, Rick Nash, and Hanzal.

Hall beats all of them.

So you take the highest haul (Duchene) and have slightly better prospects. That would be something like: 1st + conditional 1st + Timmons + Beaucage


Over saturated market? Duchene zuccarello and nyquist.

Besides duchene nobody got above a 2nd rd pick.

With Matt duchene there was a chance that ottawa could have resigned him if they wanted, jersey has tried to resign hall and haven't been able to, so they either get what they get or lose him for nothing... which is why I've said that another team will overpay for hall
Dec 8, 2019 at 6:20
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Quoting: JeffW
Over saturated market? Duchene zuccarello and nyquist.

Besides duchene nobody got above a 2nd rd pick.

With Matt duchene there was a chance that ottawa could have resigned him if they wanted, jersey has tried to resign hall and haven't been able to, so they either get what they get or lose him for nothing... which is why I've said that another team will overpay for hall


Hayes, Dzingel, Simmonds, Johansson, Zucc, Duchene, Nyqvist, Stone....8 top 6 F’s dealt.

Hayes got a 1st +. Dzingel got 2 2nds + Duclair. Zucc got a trade with 2 conditional 1sts...and that’s in a super over saturated market

This year you basically have 3 options: Hall, Kreider, Toffoli.

In a normal marker like this, Nash gets a 1st + recent 2nd rounder + Spooner (who had roughly an equivalent season to Compher at the time). And he was 33 injury prone and hadn’t put up better than .5 pts/game in like 4 seasons.

Hanzal gets a 1st+ 2nd. Need I say more?

That’s what this market is. A recent Hart winner up for sale. It never happens. It’s going to go for a ton. Much more than Duchene got last year...
Dec 10, 2019 at 7:00
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Edited Dec 10, 2019 at 7:11
Quoting: Sagecoll
Hayes, Dzingel, Simmonds, Johansson, Zucc, Duchene, Nyqvist, Stone....8 top 6 F’s dealt.

Hayes got a 1st +. Dzingel got 2 2nds + Duclair. Zucc got a trade with 2 conditional 1sts...and that’s in a super over saturated market

This year you basically have 3 options: Hall, Kreider, Toffoli.

In a normal marker like this, Nash gets a 1st + recent 2nd rounder + Spooner (who had roughly an equivalent season to Compher at the time). And he was 33 injury prone and hadn’t put up better than .5 pts/game in like 4 seasons.

Hanzal gets a 1st+ 2nd. Need I say more?

That’s what this market is. A recent Hart winner up for sale. It never happens. It’s going to go for a ton. Much more than Duchene got last year...


Not bad analaysis but one thing you forget:
It's a bidding war for Hall:
New Jersey Devils will take the best offer- If the best offer is 1st + Timmins - they say yes - it's really that simple - they just wait until very end of trade deadline... if no better offer comes up, they have to take it... i think GM's are not dumb in these days and they don't offer 5 picks + 2 propsects for an injury prone player who is a rental most likely... Conditional draft picks can be a lot of in quantity for first sight... but usually then the conditions are not met... so worse picks then 1st round gets transferred.. so end result might be ... bad picks + 1 good prospect for Hall = not insane like you think... So which one is better: timmins + guaranteed 1st or worse prospect + not guranteed picks, but can be as high as 3 1st rounder if any condition met.

It's up to New jersey, they either take the high risk/high reward offers(usually doesn't end well - like conditions like colorado wins the stanley cup or hall resigns- both will not met condition most likely to any team he gets traded unless it's agreed upon trade, but then there is no conditional pick for that requirement) or they take the sure like Timmins+ 1st round pick guaranteed value.
2 solid players instead of nothing, if they don't trade him. At this point i see under 1% chance that he resigns in new jersey...

I think the trade opener hit the nail with this. it's good for both teams... If Hall goes to UFA and colorado loses in like 2nd round... it still probably not the end of the world...
I mean i would keep Timmins, but if getting Hall improves winning the cup by 10%, i think u have to take the risk... Hall is a diff maker... and he will be hungry in colorado... like Charlie Coyle in Boston last year...

If Hall goes for more than the topic opener suggested, then probably AVS just not matching the best offer after it's getting ridicoulus. Yes there is chance that some bad GM overpay for a pure rental even... but i think Sakic is far from that type of GM... BriseBois same with Tampa... he only does trades ... when it's worth it in the long run for sure... small short losses are ok... but giving up ~ 3 first round picks for a pure rental = garbage GM just because Hall is "HART Winner" once... will he win it again... nope... thats past...
 
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