If Jersey doesnt retain salary can we keep either the first or timmins

If they don’t retain salary then Colorado would have overages because of all the bonuses, but they could probably keep one of O’Connor or Barron.

Doubt it's enough to worry about, hall prorated for half a season is 3 mill anyway, and makar is the only one who is making any bonus', not enough to worry about

I think the trade the way it is the value looks good and both sides get what they would like. Do u agree?

Barron and oconnor are just filler, I'd like to keep timmins especially because salary retention isnt necessary in this case. Taylor hall is a good player but hes a rental in colorado unless he takes a massive pay cut, therefore should be less expensive than say mark stone who resigned right away. Colorado is already a top scoring team in the league with all the injuries they've had, how much are they really gaining in this trade.

Uh you're modeling after the wrong trade....

Which trade should I be modeling it after?

Well you're taking the last guy traded after an oversaturated market was filled (going from prices driven down by excessive supply to being driven down even further by how late he was traded - literally wasn't announced til past the deadline expired - and the GM who traded him - Dorion sucks.

You want to look at the players traded earlier in the process because they kinda set the market.

The players that did that the last 3 years was Duchene, Rick Nash, and Hanzal.

Hall beats all of them.

So you take the highest haul (Duchene) and have slightly better prospects. That would be something like: 1st + conditional 1st + Timmons + Beaucage

Shouldn’t Colorado be more concerned about goaltending?

No

Over saturated market? Duchene zuccarello and nyquist.

Besides duchene nobody got above a 2nd rd pick.

With Matt duchene there was a chance that ottawa could have resigned him if they wanted, jersey has tried to resign hall and haven't been able to, so they either get what they get or lose him for nothing... which is why I've said that another team will overpay for hall

Hayes, Dzingel, Simmonds, Johansson, Zucc, Duchene, Nyqvist, Stone....8 top 6 F’s dealt.

Hayes got a 1st +. Dzingel got 2 2nds + Duclair. Zucc got a trade with 2 conditional 1sts...and that’s in a super over saturated market

This year you basically have 3 options: Hall, Kreider, Toffoli.

In a normal marker like this, Nash gets a 1st + recent 2nd rounder + Spooner (who had roughly an equivalent season to Compher at the time). And he was 33 injury prone and hadn’t put up better than .5 pts/game in like 4 seasons.

Hanzal gets a 1st+ 2nd. Need I say more?

That’s what this market is. A recent Hart winner up for sale. It never happens. It’s going to go for a ton. Much more than Duchene got last year...

Not bad analaysis but one thing you forget:
It's a bidding war for Hall:
will take the best offer- If the best offer is 1st + Timmins - they say yes - it's really that simple - they just wait until very end of trade deadline... if no better offer comes up, they have to take it... i think GM's are not dumb in these days and they don't offer 5 picks + 2 propsects for an injury prone player who is a rental most likely... Conditional draft picks can be a lot of in quantity for first sight... but usually then the conditions are not met... so worse picks then 1st round gets transferred.. so end result might be ... bad picks + 1 good prospect for Hall = not insane like you think... So which one is better: timmins + guaranteed 1st or worse prospect + not guranteed picks, but can be as high as 3 1st rounder if any condition met.

It's up to New jersey, they either take the high risk/high reward offers(usually doesn't end well - like conditions like colorado wins the stanley cup or hall resigns- both will not met condition most likely to any team he gets traded unless it's agreed upon trade, but then there is no conditional pick for that requirement) or they take the sure like Timmins+ 1st round pick guaranteed value.
2 solid players instead of nothing, if they don't trade him. At this point i see under 1% chance that he resigns in new jersey...

I think the trade opener hit the nail with this. it's good for both teams... If Hall goes to UFA and colorado loses in like 2nd round... it still probably not the end of the world...
I mean i would keep Timmins, but if getting Hall improves winning the cup by 10%, i think u have to take the risk... Hall is a diff maker... and he will be hungry in colorado... like Charlie Coyle in Boston last year...

If Hall goes for more than the topic opener suggested, then probably AVS just not matching the best offer after it's getting ridicoulus. Yes there is chance that some bad GM overpay for a pure rental even... but i think Sakic is far from that type of GM... BriseBois same with Tampa... he only does trades ... when it's worth it in the long run for sure... small short losses are ok... but giving up ~ 3 first round picks for a pure rental = garbage GM just because Hall is "HART Winner" once... will he win it again... nope... thats past...