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Team: 2019-20 Washington Capitals
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 9, 2019
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The caps can not afford to reign him when they have to pay Ovi and Backstrom.
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Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:07 p.m.
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Why is Risto being so overvalued?
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Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:08 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Why is Risto being so overvalued?


Why is matthews being so overvalued?
Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:09 p.m.
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Why is matthews being so overvalued?


Difference is, he is not. Risto is. He is not that great to get you Jakub fricking Vrana
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Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:15 p.m.
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Difference is, he is not. Risto is. He is not that great to get you Jakub fricking Vrana


Mathews is most overrated player in the NHL by far.

That being said Vrana has yet to break 50 points and caps can not afford to keep him unless they trade Oshie which will be tough with him being 32 and signed for 6 more years.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:16 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Difference is, he is not. Risto is. He is not that great to get you Jakub fricking Vrana


Imo you're slightly overvaluing Vrana. Not that WSH would do this trade, but their value difference is not as big you seem to think...
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Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:16 p.m.
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Mathews is most overrated player in the NHL by far.

That being said Vrana has yet to break 50 points and caps can not afford to keep him unless they trade Oshie which will be tough with him being 32 and signed for 6 more years.


Yeah and his mustache is overrated too...
Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:19 p.m.
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Quoting: BigDog91
Mathews is most overrated player in the NHL by far.

That being said Vrana has yet to break 50 points and caps can not afford to keep him unless they trade Oshie which will be tough with him being 32 and signed for 6 more years.


one player is the best 5v5 goalscorer in the nhl and one is a less skilled phil kessel playing so called "defense"
Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:25 p.m.
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one player is the best 5v5 goalscorer in the nhl and one is a less skilled phil kessel playing so called "defense"


Yes he has a good stretch but i doubt you will see him in top 20 at the end of the year.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:34 p.m.
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Double heck no on the Vrana for Ristolainen and Sheary trade, even if you flipped the retention to Ristolainen.

Ristolainen would instantly become the worst contract on the Caps.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:35 p.m.
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After losing Burakovsky, Connolly, and Barber last summer, the Caps don't have the wing depth to trade down from Vrana to Sheary, even for the good Rasmus.

Could they find a spot for Ristolainen? Probably. But the Sabres have a better chance of getting Holtby or Oshie back than Vrana, even if it's not a one for one.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:40 p.m.
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Have to agree Risto isnt worth Vrana.
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Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:44 p.m.
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Yes he has a good stretch but i doubt you will see him in top 20 at the end of the year.


The "good stretch" you're referring to is probably a bit more than that. It's not simply an uptick in shooting percentage that's driving his success. He's generating 1.04 shots more per game this season than he was last season, has better possession metrics, and is getting LESS offensive zone starts. I'd be really surprised if he didn't end up with around 30 goals this season. He's on pace for 40 so far.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:48 p.m.
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The "good stretch" you're referring to is probably a bit more than that. It's not simply an uptick in shooting percentage that's driving his success. He's generating 1.04 shots more per game this season than he was last season, has better possession metrics, and is getting LESS offensive zone starts. I'd be really surprised if he didn't end up with around 30 goals this season. He's on pace for 40 so far.


He is a good player and worth more then risto which is why i added sheary. I think he will be perennial 30 goal guy and 50-60 points. But if he puts up 30 + goals next two years can caps afford him. He could be looking at skinner money because what you are describing in a player is skinner.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 12:56 p.m.
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He is a good player and worth more then risto which is why i added sheary. I think he will be perennial 30 goal guy and 50-60 points. But if he puts up 30 + goals next two years can caps afford him. He could be looking at skinner money because what you are describing in a player is skinner.


The Caps will make room for him. With Holtby's deal expiring, the Caps will have a bit more flexibility. Between Orlov and Oshie, one of them will likely be taken by Seattle in the expansion draft, too. I don't worry about Vrana's cap hit, because he's likely going to be worth the ticket he commands.
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Dec. 9, 2019 at 1:01 p.m.
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He is a good player and worth more then risto which is why i added sheary. I think he will be perennial 30 goal guy and 50-60 points. But if he puts up 30 + goals next two years can caps afford him. He could be looking at skinner money because what you are describing in a player is skinner.


The Caps' team concept seems to be built around big, tough guys who can backcheck. Sheary is none of these. I think they'd flip him for whatever they could get.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 1:03 p.m.
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The Caps will make room for him. With Holtby's deal expiring, the Caps will have a bit more flexibility. Between Orlov and Oshie, one of them will likely be taken by Seattle in the expansion draft, too. I don't worry about Vrana's cap hit, because he's likely going to be worth the ticket he commands.


Yeah no way seattle takes Oshie he will be 34/35 at that point and still have 4 more years. I think Orlov better days are already past him and will be worse in 2 years. In two years you will have to make room for Backstrom, Ovi, Vrana, samsonov, backup goalie and couple dman. That is alot of cap space.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 1:05 p.m.
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Yeah no way seattle takes Oshie he will be 34/35 at that point and still have 4 more years. I think Orlov better days are already past him and will be worse in 2 years. In two years you will have to make room for Backstrom, Ovi, Vrana, samsonov, backup goalie and couple dman. That is alot of cap space.


The Capitals would likely offer a package of picks/prospects for Seattle to draft Oshie. For clarity, Oshie is from Washington state, and would be a good candidate for a captain. They'll also need to hit the cap floor, so I don't think his deal is too prohibitive.
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Dec. 9, 2019 at 1:08 p.m.
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Yes he has a good stretch but i doubt you will see him in top 20 at the end of the year.


he has been the best 5v5 goal score in the nhl since his first game and that has spanned over 3 and a bit seasons
Dec. 9, 2019 at 1:10 p.m.
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The Capitals would likely offer a package of picks/prospects for Seattle to draft Oshie. For clarity, Oshie is from Washington state, and would be a good candidate for a captain. They'll also need to hit the cap floor, so I don't think his deal is too prohibitive.


Yeah i just think you would have to make big sweetner to get rid of that contract. That being said caps are much better off waiting till 2021 to trade Vrana if they even do. he is under good deal now and have the cap space for him. If he asks for to much then could trade him. I just think he is exactly what the sabres need right now. which is 5 x 5 scoring from players other then skinner and eichel.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 1:20 p.m.
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Risto and Vrana have similar skill relative to position, but Vrana is younger and more likely to improve. Gudas is better at defense and penalty killing than anyone in this build. The Caps need Vrana in their top six more than they need Risto anywhere. Risto's size and checking would be nice, but he's not cracking the Caps' top power play.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 2:01 p.m.
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Risto and Vrana have similar skill relative to position, but Vrana is younger and more likely to improve. Gudas is better at defense and penalty killing than anyone in this build. The Caps need Vrana in their top six more than they need Risto anywhere. Risto's size and checking would be nice, but he's not cracking the Caps' top power play.


To be fair risto is not on playing top powerplay for the sabres and still on pace for 40 points. His 5x5 play has been alot better. He has been a 40 point player in his career but needed half to come on PP. This year he is on pace for 5pp points.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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To be fair risto is not on playing top powerplay for the sabres and still on pace for 40 points. His 5x5 play has been alot better. He has been a 40 point player in his career but needed half to come on PP. This year he is on pace for 5pp points.


Yeah. He's 12th among RHD in even strength points right now, with 12. Super-valuable, at just 25. You can trade him to a half dozen playoff teams that don't have anyone ahead of him, easily, for something valuable.

Vrana's 8th among LW in ESP, at 23, though, and signed super-cheap next year. Regardless of team need, he's more valuable. Vrana was in the top six for the Cup win in 2018. No need to shake it up while the team's in first place and Vrana's playing like a future first liner.

But here's why the Caps need Vrana more: they have John Carlson on their first pair, who leads RHD in points and even strength points with 43 and 30. That's two or three times as much as Risto's 14 and 12. He shares the points on the first power play unit with a guy named Ovechkin. Orlov plays point on the second power play unit, and over the past four seasons, he's eighth among LHD in even strength points. Off to a weak start, I think, but still in the top 30 LHD in points or even strength points right now. Risto needs a partner who covers back for him. That's a waste of Orlov, who is more consistent at each end of the rink, than Risto. So Risto plays third pair with Siegenthaler. Limited minutes. Tough zone starts. Maybe he gets a little power play time on the second unit, but they really need him to kill penalties, where he isn't as quick as Jensen or Gudas. He's big and he hits, and the skill is nice. I like him, but the Caps aren't a good fit for him this year.

If you wanted Oshie and a 3rd for Risto, the Caps could move Panik up to 2RW and he'd get back to the 40 points a year pace he played at in Chicago. If you wanted Holtby and Boyd for Risto and Ullmark? Fine. But there's no depth LW in Washington who can move up to the 2nd line and replace Vrana, unless you want throw in Mittelstadt? At that point the value's good on paper, but the Caps are messing up a 2nd line that was good enough to win a Cup in 2018 just to get some young guys with good draft position. I'm not sure they do it.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 3:00 p.m.
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Yeah. He's 12th among RHD in even strength points right now, with 12. Super-valuable, at just 25. You can trade him to a half dozen playoff teams that don't have anyone ahead of him, easily, for something valuable.

Vrana's 8th among LW in ESP, at 23, though, and signed super-cheap next year. Regardless of team need, he's more valuable. Vrana was in the top six for the Cup win in 2018. No need to shake it up while the team's in first place and Vrana's playing like a future first liner.

But here's why the Caps need Vrana more: they have John Carlson on their first pair, who leads RHD in points and even strength points with 43 and 30. That's two or three times as much as Risto's 14 and 12. He shares the points on the first power play unit with a guy named Ovechkin. Orlov plays point on the second power play unit, and over the past four seasons, he's eighth among LHD in even strength points. Off to a weak start, I think, but still in the top 30 LHD in points or even strength points right now. Risto needs a partner who covers back for him. That's a waste of Orlov, who is more consistent at each end of the rink, than Risto. So Risto plays third pair with Siegenthaler. Limited minutes. Tough zone starts. Maybe he gets a little power play time on the second unit, but they really need him to kill penalties, where he isn't as quick as Jensen or Gudas. He's big and he hits, and the skill is nice. I like him, but the Caps aren't a good fit for him this year.

If you wanted Oshie and a 3rd for Risto, the Caps could move Panik up to 2RW and he'd get back to the 40 points a year pace he played at in Chicago. If you wanted Holtby and Boyd for Risto and Ullmark? Fine. But there's no depth LW in Washington who can move up to the 2nd line and replace Vrana, unless you want throw in Mittelstadt? At that point the value's good on paper, but the Caps are messing up a 2nd line that was good enough to win a Cup in 2018 just to get some young guys with good draft position. I'm not sure they do it.


Risto gets a bad rep for defense which is just not fair he is a good defensive dman. What he needs is a puck moving dman as his partner. I am going to ignore the other trades because they dont make sense.
Dec. 9, 2019 at 3:06 p.m.
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Dec. 9, 2019 at 3:17 p.m.
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You really think plus/minus shows he is bad defensively. He played on the worse team in league and played 25 mins against the best lines in hockey. Doughty and kopitar had bad plus minus this year and last year does that mean they are bad defensively or play on bad team?

As for Orlov he plays on highest scoring team and one of the best goal deferential in the league and is still a minus player and only 12 points.
 
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