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Hawks Rangers

Created by: Boomer125
Initial Creation Date: Dec 9, 2019
Published: Dec 9, 2019 at 6:48 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Seabrook, Brent ($2,375,000 retained)
  2. Nylander, Alexander
  3. Delia, Collin
  4. 2020 3rd round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. Ceci, Cody
TOR
  1. Deangelo, Anthony
NYR
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
CHI
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,116,032$0$850,000$383,968
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
CHI
Nylander, Alexander
$863,333
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
CHI
Delia, Collin
$1,000,000
G
UFA - 3
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
CHI
Seabrook, Brent
$4,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Dec 9, 2019 at 7:00
#1
Jack
Joined: Feb 2018
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Lol that Chicago trade is a top 5 all time trade. We see you burke, show yourself
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Dec 9, 2019 at 7:19
#2
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More like Deangelo + 4th = Nylander...
Dec 9, 2019 at 7:27
#3
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a defenseman deangelo is probably going to have more points then a forward Kapanen. one would conclude he has much more value.
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Dec 9, 2019 at 7:29
#4
Lucas Raymond to NYR
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gotta decline that. top 9 F for a top 4 dman.
Dec 9, 2019 at 7:55
#5
Thread Starter
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Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York
gotta decline that. top 9 F for a top 4 dman.


DeAngelo plays all of 15 mins per game, hardly top 4 minutes
Dec 9, 2019 at 8:03
#6
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Quoting: Boomer125
DeAngelo plays all of 15 mins per game, hardly top 4 minutes


sounds like the Rangers have a ****ty coach who doesn't know how to properly allocate ice time....and you'd be right.

Not sure what that has to do with Deangelo who crushes it every time he's on the ice.

it would be like me making the argument that Muzzin and Barrie aren't worth as much as Ceci because they played less ice time under Babcock....
Dec 9, 2019 at 8:08
#7
Thread Starter
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Quoting: Sagecoll
sounds like the Rangers have a ****ty coach who doesn't know how to properly allocate ice time....and you'd be right.

Not sure what that has to do with Deangelo who crushes it every time he's on the ice.

it would be like me making the argument that Muzzin and Barrie aren't worth as much as Ceci because they played less ice time under Babcock....


My argument is at this time DeAngelo is not a top 4 but. D man with Top 4 potential, kinda like how Kapenen is a top 9 winger with top 6 potential
Dec 9, 2019 at 8:11
#8
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Quoting: Boomer125
DeAngelo plays all of 15 mins per game, hardly top 4 minutes


He is playing 18:23 per night this year. Not 15. 19:20 last year.

The 18:23 is 3rd on the team. The 19:20 was 4th.

So no he didn't play 14 minutes. Yes he does play top 4 minutes.
Dec 9, 2019 at 8:12
#9
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Quoting: Boomer125
My argument is at this time DeAngelo is not a top 4 but. D man with Top 4 potential, kinda like how Kapenen is a top 9 winger with top 6 potential


Okay boomer... But your argument would be wrong
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Dec 9, 2019 at 8:18
#10
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Sagecoll
More like Deangelo + 4th = Nylander...


Ummm... no.
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Dec 9, 2019 at 8:25
#11
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Quoting: BCAPP
He is playing 18:23 per night this year. Not 15. 19:20 last year.

The 18:23 is 3rd on the team. The 19:20 was 4th.

So no he didn't play 14 minutes. Yes he does play top 4 minutes.


Got my info from hockey reference.com , and I'm assuming averaged out over the course of the season the site claimed 15:36 time on ice
Dec 9, 2019 at 8:32
#12
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Quoting: Boomer125
Got my info from hockey reference.com , and I'm assuming averaged out over the course of the season the site claimed 15:36 time on ice


You should check again

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/deangan01.html
Dec 9, 2019 at 8:35
#13
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I did, I definitely looked at the wrong graph, still doesn't change what I would send to get DeAngelo, but yes he is playing Top 4 minutes
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Dec 9, 2019 at 9:07
#14
Next Gen
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Quoting: Boomer125
I did, I definitely looked at the wrong graph, still doesn't change what I would send to get DeAngelo, but yes he is playing Top 4 minutes


This is why the trade would never be close to fruition. Defencemen right handed have more value than left alone and top 4 defence right handed are harder to come by especially those who have more points than the winger included in the deal. Deangelo will only be included in a deal that involves nylander. You have to satisfy nyr needs as well not just your own in a steal of a deal.
Dec 9, 2019 at 9:19
#15
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Quoting: Bloodykisame
This is why the trade would never be close to fruition. Defencemen right handed have more value than left alone and top 4 defence right handed are harder to come by especially those who have more points than the winger included in the deal. Deangelo will only be included in a deal that involves nylander. You have to satisfy nyr needs as well not just your own in a steal of a deal.


And Yet Kadri a plug LD and a 3rd got Barrie at 50% retained, Kerfoot and a 6th
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Dec 9, 2019 at 9:33
#16
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Quoting: Boomer125
DeAngelo plays all of 15 mins per game, hardly top 4 minutes


He's averaging 18:23 a game but go off.... _ _ _ _ _ _
Dec 9, 2019 at 9:35
#17
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Bloodykisame
This is why the trade would never be close to fruition. Defencemen right handed have more value than left alone and top 4 defence right handed are harder to come by especially those who have more points than the winger included in the deal. Deangelo will only be included in a deal that involves nylander. You have to satisfy nyr needs as well not just your own in a steal of a deal.


Cool so how about Holl for kakko... since he has a higher war and gar than Deangelo and plays top 4 minutes this should be fair. Although he doesn’t have more points than kakko so maybe we add a 3rd...
Dec 9, 2019 at 9:50
#18
StonksMcgee
Joined: Dec 2019
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okay I know leafs fans are bad at making trades on here but i will never understand how they value Cody Ceci like hes the second coming of Jesus himself
Dec 9, 2019 at 10:32
#19
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Quoting: yeeeeeeeeeetttt
okay I know leafs fans are bad at making trades on here but i will never understand how they value Cody Ceci like hes the second coming of Jesus himself


Seabrook is being moved in this. Still think this means Ceci is valued?
Dec 11, 2019 at 7:11
#20
Next Gen
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Quoting: Boomer125
And Yet Kadri a plug LD and a 3rd got Barrie at 50% retained, Kerfoot and a 6th


Kadri who is a 2nd line center got a top 4 offensive defenceman that has 1 year left and is expecting 7m+ which colorado didnt want to pay, kerfoot a 3rd liner and a 6th? So your arguement that is since deangelo is a 4th currently playing as a 3rd is equal to a middle 6 winger ? good luck ever finding a trade partner for that deal because you need 6 defence to play that are good to succeed in the nhl. Wingers are a dime a dozen.
 
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