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New Jersey next year after Hall tradedraft

Created by: adamstier13
Initial Creation Date: Dec 10, 2019
Published: Dec 10, 2019 at 1:28 am
Team: 2020-21 New Jersey Devils
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Anderson, Joseph3$875,000
Blackwood, Mackenzie3$2,500,000
Bratt, Jesper2$1,500,000
Mueller, Mirco1$1,500,000
Speers, Blake1$800,000
White, Colton2$800,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lafreniere, Alexis3$925,000
Trades
NJD
  1. Timmins, Conor
  2. Newhook, Alex [Reserve List]
  3. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
COL
    Trading Taylor Hall before the Trade Deadline
    NJD
    1. 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
    BOS
    1. 2020 6th round pick (NJD)
    Trading Wayne Simmonds before the deadline
    Buyouts
    • Mike Cammalleri: $1,666,667
    Recapture Fees
    • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2020
    NJD
    COL
    BOS
    NJD
    BOS
    NJD
    NJD
    2021
    NJD
    COL
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    2022
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    CBJ
    NJD
    NJD
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    24$81,500,000$68,535,833$0$3,250,000$12,964,167
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    NJD
    Gusev, Nikita
    $4,500,000
    LW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NJD
    Hughes, Jack
    $925,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Palmieri, Kyle
    $4,650,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    Lafreniere, Alexis
    $925,000
    NJD
    Hischier, Nico
    $7,250,000
    C
    UFA - 7
    NJD
    Coleman, Blake
    $1,800,000
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    NJD
    Zacha, Pavel
    $2,250,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Zajac, Travis
    $5,750,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NJD
    Anderson, Joseph
    $875,000
    RW
    RFA
    NJD
    Wood, Miles
    $2,750,000
    LW
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Boqvist, Jesper
    $925,000
    C, LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Bratt, Jesper
    $1,500,000
    LW, RW
    RFA
    NJD
    Speers, Blake
    $800,000
    C
    RFA
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    NJD
    Butcher, Will
    $3,733,333
    LD
    UFA - 2
    NJD
    Subban, P.K.
    $9,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    NJD
    Blackwood, Mackenzie
    $2,500,000
    G
    RFA
    NJD
    Smith, Ty
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Severson, Damon
    $4,166,666
    RD
    UFA - 3
    NJD
    Schneider, Cory
    $6,000,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    NJD
    Mueller, Mirco
    $1,500,000
    LD
    RFA
    COL
    Timmins, Conor
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    White, Colton
    $800,000
    D
    RFA
    NJD
    Carrick, Connor
    $1,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    NJD
    Tennyson, Matt
    $700,000
    RD
    UFA - 1

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    Dec 10, 2019 at 1:37
    #1
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    If I were NJ I'd be asking for Byram and a 1st to start the conversation.
    Dec 10, 2019 at 2:05
    #2
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    bad idea colorado
    Dec 10, 2019 at 7:12
    #3
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    Even though he's a center I'd take Byfield. Doubt we end up with 1OA anyway. Top of draft is light with defenders, which makes Hall for young D important.
    Dec 10, 2019 at 7:19
    #4
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    If I were NJ I'd be asking for Byram and a 1st to start the conversation.


    You can ask all you like, Sakic isn't giving up Byram.
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    Dec 10, 2019 at 7:38
    #5
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    Worst trade of the month... Such a bad trade ..wtf... Sakic is never this dumb...
    Agreed to CD282: 0% chance , that even Byram names comes up in any trade talk... every GM knows this... Top tier prospects doesn't just get traded like that... They are solid like a rock for first few years... until they turn out to be mediocre/bust/no hope for to be elite... untouchable... price is just too high... nooone is paying that...
    Dec 10, 2019 at 7:39
    #6
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    Quoting: Smitty426
    Even though he's a center I'd take Byfield. Doubt we end up with 1OA anyway. Top of draft is light with defenders, which makes Hall for young D important.


    trade Hischier then? Is he a bust? I mean for a 1st overall. Can he ever be a 100-120 point scorer? That's why you want to take Byfield? You think Hischier not good enough?

    I would take Lafreniere 100/100 times. Hughes+Lafr = the dream rock on nod rock on
    Dec 10, 2019 at 8:21
    #7
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    Quoting: F3ruS
    Worst trade of the month... Such a bad trade ..wtf... Sakic is never this dumb...
    Agreed to CD282: 0% chance , that even Byram names comes up in any trade talk... every GM knows this... Top tier prospects doesn't just get traded like that... They are solid like a rock for first few years... until they turn out to be mediocre/bust/no hope for to be elite... untouchable... price is just too high... nooone is paying that...


    guess ur not getting Hall then
    Dec 10, 2019 at 9:03
    #8
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    Quoting: F3ruS
    trade Hischier then? Is he a bust? I mean for a 1st overall. Can he ever be a 100-120 point scorer? That's why you want to take Byfield? You think Hischier not good enough?

    I would take Lafreniere 100/100 times. Hughes+Lafr = the dream rock on nod rock on


    I am assuming the Devs dont win the lottery again. Just managing expectations. Nico is not a bust at all, the problem (which it really is not) is he is next to first overalls like Mcdavid-Matthews. He signed long term for 7 so I am not concerned. And Hughes is supposed to have Kane-like pedigree, but if you look at say the top 5 spots its Laf-Byfield (look at his size, something we don't have) and the next 7 or so are C/Ws. Listen if we end up at 2 and the #1 pick chooses Byfield its a no brainer!
    So I think Ray's gotta go BPA and this year its all forwards up top. Maybe the thought is trade off assets to get multiple 1st and get in again???
    Dec 24, 2019 at 12:53
    #9
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    Edited Dec 24, 2019 at 1:02
    Quoting: Smitty426
    I am assuming the Devs dont win the lottery again. Just managing expectations. Nico is not a bust at all, the problem (which it really is not) is he is next to first overalls like Mcdavid-Matthews. He signed long term for 7 so I am not concerned. And Hughes is supposed to have Kane-like pedigree, but if you look at say the top 5 spots its Laf-Byfield (look at his size, something we don't have) and the next 7 or so are C/Ws. Listen if we end up at 2 and the #1 pick chooses Byfield its a no brainer!
    So I think Ray's gotta go BPA and this year its all forwards up top. Maybe the thought is trade off assets to get multiple 1st and get in again???


    I see now the lottery part, well i forgot about that LUL, yes New Jersey Devils can end up at 3rd or 4th pick... i thought you meant 1st overall selection: you will choose Byfield, which would be crazy to have 3 top tier quality centers on same team, when most teams doesn't even have 2... some doesn't even have 1....
    I mean it would be interesting:
    1st line C: Hughes
    2nd line C:Byfield
    3rd line C:Hischier


    I would like to think in this case Hughes would be converted to a winger(because of his size), i don't think you need a top tier 3rd line center in today's NHL(too much caphit then to centers).
    Maybe in that case Hischier gets traded sooner or later? I think it would be really interesting if u guys would indeed in reality draft Byfield: In my mind unless it's #2 pick or Byfield will go down to #3 or #4, the Devils should always choose any other position , then centers.

    It's interesting and this exactly come up this year in tampa, cause this year we had too much centers, so we converted Stamkos to winger... but you see the problem Stamkos,Point,Cirelli = you don't need 3 even in tampa... 1 C plays 1st line the other 2 C's on second line(Stamkos on the wing)...

    Anyways, all i'm saying is:
    the odds that you could realistically draft Byfield, too much variables need to happen = super unlikely to happen in my opinion... Like teams passing up on Byfield 1# or #2 overall pick and Devils losing in the lottery...
    And we didn't talk about the fact, that you guys need a goalie and there is a generational talent in this year's draft... and what about the defense... PK Subban long term solution? No... So you would really need a defender too to start!!! develop !!! a young top tier defender, cause winning the cup without a really good one(or more: see Parayko+Pietrangelo/Carlson/Doughty/Seabrook-Keith/etc..)
    Or do you really want to wait until 2025 to have a meaningful chance at winning the cup = contender status, that's 5+ years in no man's land... and defenders needs lot of years... so you better start now... it's hard to trade for a young and super talented defender...

    So lets see:
    Lucas Raymond-RW
    Jamie Drysdale-D
    Yaroslav Askarov-G

    So let's just say you guys lose the lottery...(losing in this case means = #3 or lower)
    Odds are against you ofc...finishing like 2nd last in NHL = 26.5% only to pick #1 or #2 = 73.5% that NJD will draft #3 or lower...
    So it's obv: #1:Lafr & #2:Byf whatever team is picking, i can't see this changing...

    IF #1:NJD drafts Alexis Lafrenière-RW
    IF #2:NJD drafts Quinton Byfield-C
    IF #3:NJD drafts Lucas Raymond-RW
    IF #4:NJD drafts Jamie Drysdale-D
    IF #5:NJD drafts Yaroslav Askarov-G

    So here is what i explained about positions/needs,(and whether you should throw off the always choose best picks left avaialable tactics at #2)
    where i would not draft a center at #2 if other guys are really good...(close to Byfield level)

    So my draft for your team:
    IF #1:NJD drafts Alexis Lafrenière-RW
    IF #2:NJD drafts Lucas Raymond-RW or imo any other guy, but you will probably disagree here...
    IF #3:NJD drafts Lucas Raymond-RW
    IF #4:NJD drafts Jamie Drysdale-D
    IF #5:NJD drafts Yaroslav Askarov-G


    So you see Byfield is not even mentioned in my mock draft for you guys. So it will be interesting to see in next june, that what will be your GM's pick smile
    Right now i think you guys will land on #4 pick = Defender? Or if teams passing on Raymond then him cool cheers

    Final prediction for 2020 draft:
    New Jersey Devils with the #4 overall pick drafts Lucas Raymond-RW


    Will be fun to check back couple months later on my post sorry if it was too long LUL
    Dec 24, 2019 at 1:07
    #10
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    Quoting: Devilsfan101
    guess ur not getting Hall then


    u were right, we didn't, Sakic was smart to not give up too much without 100% extension, like for Faulk for St. Louis...

    welcome to Arizona Coyotes land Taylor...
    Dec 24, 2019 at 1:53
    #11
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    Quoting: F3ruS
    u were right, we didn't, Sakic was smart to not give up too much without 100% extension, like for Faulk for St. Louis...

    welcome to Arizona Coyotes land Taylor...


    Bahl is looking like a stud.
    Dec 24, 2019 at 2:16
    #12
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    Edited Dec 24, 2019 at 2:21
    Quoting: Devilsfan101
    Bahl is looking like a stud.


    He is a top4 D low potential in NHL 19... i played couple hours this month(first time ever) instead of watching the horrible trade proposals on these boards... it's quite accurate to be honest.... im playing on max difficulty and it's really hard to pull off any trade unless you overpay a lot... Ofc i would modifiy a lot of players, cause it's 1 year old game...(but still pretty good)
    I carefully looked at Bahl's stats in his teams, and they were not good... for me Bahl = bad player and Arizona knew this.... from the outside it might look different... but notifiy me when he plays in the NHL so i can watch him play... if he turns out to be any good... it would be good news for NJD.... but for now i just think he is too big.... like Sosunov in Tampa...
    my prediction about him(i trust Arizona's defensive knowledge): never top4 solid NHL defender = AHL level max potential---> maybe 7th D in NHL - like Luke Schenn in tampa...

    Don't get fooled by OHL, that's a really bad league to play in... 1 point in OHL = doesn't mean anything... he beats others with his size, it's obv... all OHL players = small & weak... if he was 6'0, i would say he is a stud.... but he is not 6'0...
    Also plus minus stat also meaningless there... see Ristolainen -40 last year... what happend this year...LUL...
    but if you saw him play and you have other opinion... just inform me... i only know about anything from him from paper stuff. Real life sometimes proves every stat/metrics/advanced stat meaningless... see Kucherov or Point draft selections in those years...oh my god.... if teams scouts would have been better from eyetest smile lucky tampa cool

    BUT 1 thing for sure:
    10 Bahl < 1 Byram in every GM's ever lived on this earth. Not even close to value if you multiply by 10...

    So in trade value:

    Bahl
    Bahl
    Bahl
    Bahl
    Bahl
    Bahl
    Bahl
    Bahl
    Bahl
    Bahl

    vs.

    Byram

    You can keep your Bahls...
     
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