Zone starts are important. College stats, admittedly not so much. Just not sure what else he was looking for. I was told I can't use stats, and now I can't use possession metrics.

what exactly should I be looking at?

Please tell me how college stats matter if you're comparing players in the NHL

https://evolving-hockey.com/?_inputs_&dir=%22GAR%20Skater%20Tables%22&gar_sk_base=%22GAR%22&gar_sk_col=%22Basic%22&gar_sk_group=%22All%22&gar_sk_players=%5B%22Anders%20Bjork%22%2C%22Ondrej%20Kase%22%5D&gar_sk_pos=%22F%22&gar_sk_season=%5B%2220192020%22%2C%2220182019%22%2C%2220172018%22%5D&gar_sk_span=%22Regular%22&gar_sk_team=%22All%22&gar_sk_toi_all=%2250%22&gar_sk_toi_ev=%220%22&gar_sk_toi_pp=%220%22&gar_sk_toi_sh=%220%22&gar_sk_type=%22Totals%22 well over double the GAR (less than 2x toi) and
https://evolving-hockey.com/?_inputs_&dir=%22RAPM%20Charts%22&dir_rapmchrt=%22Compare%20Skaters%3A%20EV%22 this year I'd give Kase the slight edge, but any other year he blows him out of the water, it isn't close, and 3 seasons of data>>>>1 season

Much like Kase? Health is a skill neither of them have.

Who the f*ck said you can't use possession metrics? Or are you not using them because they prove you wrong?

Well let's get one thing straight here. There is no reality where Kase is a first line player. He plays 15 minutes a night. Settle down bud. He's their second right wing, and honestly, troy terry is knocking on that door. They kind of want him to overtake kase.
Second, Matt Grzelcyk is the second best player in this trade. There is no argument to the contrary.

Kase might be the 5th most valuable trade commodity involved in this deal. The fact that this is what we're hung up on is absurd.

i never said they did. he never said they did. Re-read his post.

Zone starts really aren't important, the VAST majority of shifts start on the fly

You lose all credibility when you think Grzelyck is better/more valuable than one of Lindholm or Kase. This is the point where everything you've said has gone to sh*t

He used them meaning he places at least some value on them, which is complete garbage

As I said they don't. Except very rarely does someone who doesn't produce in college come to NHL and produce. I was just pointing out he has produced through college and has a high ceiling.
Both of these guys have relatively short injury plagued careers, so there isn't a ton of Pro history to go on.

there's nothing that supports that. Dude just heard Kase getting a lot of hype three years ago and assumes he's a 50 goal scorer by now.

just for all to see, and let me say this with a huge disclaimer: points are certainly not all that matter, but, when you're making the claim that someone is a first line winger, that player has to be capable of producing some offense.

Here are first liner, Kase's 82 game averages over the course of his career.
Goals: 18
Assists: 21
Points: 39

There's your stud first liner. Puke. Pastrnak did that in like a week.

but you said taht in your original post. You just said that was to show that there's a ceiling there.

Grzelcyk isn't just better than Kase, he's like, 8 times better than Kase. The two aren't in the same stratosphere. When discussing a trade of Grzelcyk, Kase is a throw in to get the value right. I'm sorry you don't know who the guy is. I don't know much about a lot of NHL players, but you might want to pump the brakes with absolute statements when you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

no he didn't. read his post.

You sent Theodore and Hamilton. Bjork has been better this year. Kase in the past. Yes, Three seasons of Data can be greater than 1, but not always. Sometimes guys take the leap. Bjork really struggled last year, but he got stronger and is now playing LW because he kept getting lit up on the right side.

All I learned was Kase most certainly isn't a 1st line winger and they are closer than you initially thought.

Reading Comprehension doesn't appear strong with this group...

Ive always wondered what it's like to be so delusional that you overvalue your teams players THIS much. Since 2017 Kase is 12th in the league in GAR/60, 14th in net xG impact, 9th in net corsi impact, and 16th in cf% rel. Tell me again how those numbers don't qualify him being a top end winger.

Again, to show pedigree. You do know scouts look at College and Junior stats, right? Sometimes they are indicators of what is come, sometimes they are not. Like I said, I can't think of a lot of Guys who didn't produce in college and did in the NHL. You are trying waaaayyyyy too hard.

It auto goes to Theodore and Hamilton, and Bjork has had the higher positives and the lower negatives this year so it cancels out, and if he continues this for a full season fine I'll give it a decent bit of weight, but NHL players go on hot and cold streaks, Cody Ceci was at one point good for 30 games straight, look at him now lmao

Yes really love saying that if a player has been mediocre for 20 games thats more important than the rest of their career where they have been elite

In all honesty, with this Bruins team right now, I dont do this.
Like you said, Gryz is a monster. Lindholm is better but Im honestly not sure how much more.
Bjork has been improving each and every game and looking way more comfortable with the puck (and without) Id say Kase is again still better but not by a ton
By making this trade, you're still left without a middle-6 winger that the Bs desperately need (I think Kuraly could work, but him at 4C makes this a much better team) and are basically goodbye to Krug next year. With this being Chara's potential last year, I'm not sure if Vaak/Lauzon/Zboril can give you the minutes you really need for a full 82 games.
If we do end up giving up a 1st for this year, Id want it to be for an all-in type of player. Bergy and the core dont have a ton more years left and with expansion and cap, some key depth is going to have to leave soon. Go after someone big, then next year you're still able to hang onto Krug, let Gryz play with Mcavoy and allow one of the 3 young LHD take 3rd pairing duties. And hopefully one of Bjork/Heinen/Studnicka can make the fulltime move to a top 6 player

This is not nearly enough. for Lindholm AND Kase?

Hahhahaha

Anaheim fans clearly value Kase over Bjork. Boston fans clearly value Bjork over Kase. So let's call that a wash for the time being.

What you're left with is Lindholm for two LD's and a late first-round pick. The problem is (a) you're getting a #1 LD for what right now is a #3 LD and MAY mature into a top-4 player, and (b) you're not solving Anaheim's chief problem, which is RD. The Ducks aren't trading Lindholm unless McAvoy or Carlo is coming back. It's that simple. The bottom line is that you're trying to acquire a defenseman who, let's face it, right now is better than anyone you have (although you may argue that McAvoy's upside is higher) in return for a #2 or #3 defenseman, depending upon how he develops, and hoping that a first-round pick makes up for the difference. It won't work that way. At least for Anaheim, it won't.