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Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 10, 2019
Published: Dec. 10, 2019
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"Change is coming in Anaheim, one way or another. While Fowler’s long been part of the Ducks’ cause, his club sits second-last in the West with little chance of making a dent in this season’s playoff picture. With Corey Perry, one of the club’s longest-tenured veterans, leaving Anaheim last summer, it seems clear the Ducks are ready to move on from even their established names at this point.

The 28-year-old Fowler remains one of the team’s top trade chips if they’re hoping to add pieces for the future, with the talented offensive defender having finished above the 30-point plateau five times in his career. He’s got 15 points through 30 games so far in 2019-20, putting him on pace to top 40 for the second time in his NHL tenure."

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/6-canadiens-trade-targets-help-shore-blue-line/


We're giving up pick(s) because currently we have about a half a dozen prospect of A to A+ Quality ready to make the jump to the NHL alongside our best prospect currently Suzuki.We can afford to go a draft without knowing that when they push out a pending UFA like Tatar , Armia or even a Danault in 1-2 years time we will be getting a plethora of picks back adding up to more then we spent on Fowler . Fowler gives our Youth a chance to grow into the role and not be rushed or altered in their development like Tinordi , Leblanc , Beaulieu Mccarron and Scherbak all were just because we MTL's GM was impatient his first 5 years .

i know people will question the amount but honestly if he can give MTL a top 4 worth a **** its a price i'm willing to pay as long as Price's in net .

Before anyone starts about Suzuki on 4th it should be pointed out the bulk of his offensive production came with Cousins and Thompson . Suzuki's claimed in different interviews that Thompsons been a huge mentor for him this season and helped him adapt to todays new faceoff rules . Best place for him IMO (assuming we want to be in the playoffs )


*Keep in mind the lines below are for a healthy roster*
Trades
1.
ANA
  1. Juulsen, Noah
  2. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
  4. 2020 4th round pick (WPG)
  5. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
-Juulsen's in Laval after an injury sidelined him Fleury stepped up and proved to be far more physically dominating and after Fleury's 10 hit outing vs SJS he's solidified himself in the last remaining NHL RD spot.

Juulsen's used this to his advantage playing top minutes in Laval the past 5 games scoring a couple points but its his defensive ability as a Shot blocker that stood out robbing teams and keeping a Spirited Syacuse Crunch game within reach .

Juulsen's set back cost him his position but he's still a solid player . That being said Fleury's here , Brook gonna be up soon and Weber/Petry arent going anywhere soon .

-Conditional 4th becomes a 2nd if MTL wins the cup in 2020 or 2021
2.
MTL
  1. Yamamoto, Kailer
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
-Conditional 3rd becomes a 2nd if EDM wins SC with Byron playing 50% of the games or more .

Yamamoto is 2nd /3rd line AHL player with 29 points in 44 and 5 points in 26 NHL games thus far . He's a B or B+ level prospect depending on who you ask and at 5'8 just under 160lbs he'll need a season minimum training with Boullion to pack on enough muscle to play at the NHL in a bottom 6 role .

We will take others i just took Yamamoto because he's not your highest score , biggest player or top prospect on wing.
EDM
  1. Byron, Paul ($1,700,000 retained)
Additional Details:
-Byron @ 1.7m cap over 4 years

EDM gets a Speedy Winger on LW and would be a clear upgrade on either undrafted find in Nygard or Russel. Most importantly he can keep up with Mcdavids speed probably better then anyone outside Drisatl

@ 1.7m for 4 years it gives a cash strapped team a cheap option for depth scoring for a playoff run
3.
MTL
  1. Clifford, Kyle
Additional Details:
Pure Rental with no intention of re-sign so LAK can get a couple picks and re-sign him like we did Plekanec (if they want )

He's being brought in to hit and fight . Our youth has become targets and if we're going to take them into a playoff series where things get rough i wanted a guy who's known for protecting his teammates (but who isnt a goon and can play)
LAK
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (MTL)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (CHI)
Additional Details:
- Conditional 3rd in 2020 becomes a 2nd round pick if MTL wins SC with Clifford playing 50% or more games

-Conditional 3rd becomes a 2nd if we re-sign Clifford. (we wont but that doesnt stop people from nit picking )
Buyouts
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2020
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2021
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2022
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22$81,500,000$75,921,308$0$3,315,000$5,578,692

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$4,800,000$4,800,000
LW, RW
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$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 2
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 3
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$748,333$748,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 7
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
G
RFA - 3
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$771,666$771,666 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
RD
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$925,000$925,000
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UFA - 3

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Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:05 p.m.
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Jeff Petry was a top4 dman that cost a 2nd + 4th round pick, now you want a top4 dman for 2 1st rounder + 2nd round pick + Juulsen ???????
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Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:08 p.m.
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2 firsts+for Fowler!!! Holy sh*t yes make it happen lmao
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Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:09 p.m.
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2 picks for Clifford? Maybe a 5th & Hudon
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Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:10 p.m.
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Before anyone starts on '' but the drafts in MTL''

After the playoffs we'll have a half dozen UFA's with a year left and we'll have to move somebody regardless .
If we want a 1st round pick we can trade a Tatar or even Domi's rights if we saw fit to acquire one .
With an expansion team coming in this draft there will be tons of oppourtunity if they acquire picks in the first 3 rounds in bulk like VGK did .

The idea is to get to the playoffs first and if we're a team that can make a ECF lets say with this team we dont even both with a 1st because we dont care given Caufields domination of NCAA and Romanov's road to a Repeat Gagarin Cup in his Sophmore Season. Not to forget about players like Harris , Poehling and Ylonen who will all be at camp next year battling for a roster spot . Teasdale , Ikonen and Juulsen rebounding from injury along with them. There's more getting closer but those are the names who will make an impact in the next 10 months . (given we dont got the room for Poehling currently missing a 1st round pick isnt the end of the world and as long as it bought soemthing good the hometown MTL crowd wont mind . )
Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:12 p.m.
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Edited Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:18 p.m.
Quoting: GMs
Jeff Petry was a top4 dman that cost a 2nd + 4th round pick, now you want a top4 dman for 2 1st rounder + 2nd round pick + Juulsen ???????


On team dead last in the NHL sure
we acquired his RFA rights because Chirelli is a moron
see Schults trade , see Hall trade , see Eberle trade , See Context?
Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:13 p.m.
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Quoting: BorisBagel
2 picks for Clifford? Maybe a 5th & Hudon


i thought so to

LAK fans got at me last time i traded for him
what about a 3rd and Hudon cause i know if i put a 5th they'll get pissy :P
Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:17 p.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
2 firsts+for Fowler!!! Holy sh*t yes make it happen lmao


His Contract is Ideal for us
His play would legitimize us

plus last time i did a Fowler post and didnt include two firsts they wanted Kotkanemi or Suzuki .

undisputed #1 D rarely hit the market unless they got an issue whether its play , attitude or Cap .
Petry was a nobody when we got him , MTL established him and even still for a player EDM had given up on we still paid a 2nd and 5th .

i cant really remember the last #1 D traded with Term on a good Contract .
Teams almost always wait until they're about to go UFA
Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:19 p.m.
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Montreal has no interest in a trade like that. Bergevin is very hesitant to trade 1st's at all, let alone 2 in 1 trade. Montreal reject.

I like the second trade for Montreal, a player who getting close to being labeled a bust. Byron would provide much needed depth scoring

3rd trade Montreal rejects.
Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
His Contract is Ideal for us
His play would legitimize us

plus last time i did a Fowler post and didnt include two firsts they wanted Kotkanemi or Suzuki .

undisputed #1 D rarely hit the market unless they got an issue whether its play , attitude or Cap .
Petry was a nobody when we got him , MTL established him and even still for a player EDM had given up on we still paid a 2nd and 5th .

i cant really remember the last #1 D traded with Term on a good Contract .
Teams almost always wait until they're about to go UFA


Since when was Fowler a number 1 d man lmao I'm a ducks fan and he's not on our top pair for good reason lmao
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Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:51 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Montreal has no interest in a trade like that. Bergevin is very hesitant to trade 1st's at all, let alone 2 in 1 trade. Montreal reject.

I like the second trade for Montreal, a player who getting close to being labeled a bust. Byron would provide much needed depth scoring

3rd trade Montreal rejects.



3rd trade counter?

i got 5th and Hudon so far

once i get a couple opinions i'll alter it .
Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:56 p.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Since when was Fowler a number 1 d man lmao I'm a ducks fan and he's not on our top pair for good reason lmao


Top D Time on Ice ANA

Lindholm 21:49
Fowler 21:44


Fowler has 15 points
Lindholm has 12 points

in the past 5 years Fowler has played the most ice time 3/5 times and lead defensive scoring 4/5 times for ANA .
only 1 season did Lindholm have more points and minutes then Fowler a total of 38 seconds more and 3 points .

just saying that Lindholm is making Fowler expendable but he hasnt taken #1 anymore then Petry has from Weber

Source below , Enjoy smile

https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/ANA/2020.html
Dec. 10, 2019 at 11:58 p.m.
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Top D Time on Ice ANA

Lindholm 21:49
Fowler 21:44


Fowler has 15 points
Lindholm has 12 points

in the past 5 years Fowler has played the most ice time 3/5 times and lead defensive scoring 4/5 times for ANA .
only 1 season did Lindholm have more points and minutes then Fowler a total of 38 seconds more and 3 points .

just saying that Lindholm is making Fowler expendable but he hasnt taken #1 anymore then Petry has from Weber


Since when was points a good metric to measure DEFENSEmen... Lindholm very very very good defensively, decent offensively, Manson also good defenseively, not good offensively though, but irdc about that, Fowler good (not great) offensively, well below average defensively...
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Dec. 11, 2019 at 12:01 a.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Since when was Fowler a number 1 d man lmao I'm a ducks fan and he's not on our top pair for good reason lmao


but as a Ducks fan what do you want keeping in mind MTL is unwilling to move out any roster player or any player drafted in the 1st round by us outside Juulsen ?


End game is getting Fowler
if i can pay less cool but there's only about 3-4 prospects we'd move right now and only Juulsen is a known commodity .

Evans , J.Olofsson , Ikonen or Norlinder are the only ones i see us parting with because they're in positions with depth and not top prospects in their pool but still very good
Dec. 11, 2019 at 12:07 a.m.
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Fowler has a 4 team trade list. 4. Montreal is not one if them. He’s happy where he is. Not waiving.
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Dec. 11, 2019 at 12:08 a.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Since when was points a good metric to measure DEFENSEmen... Lindholm very very very good defensively, decent offensively, Manson also good defenseively, not good offensively though, but irdc about that, Fowler good (not great) offensively, well below average defensively...


we dont need him to be a defensive catalyst
we need him to be a PP Catalyst and a playmaker for 1/2 big PP shots in Petry and Weber .

i get what you're saying and i know .
but in MTL's system the role he's being asked to play he doesnt need to.
we lean heavily on Chariot for that to the point he's been playing anywhere from 3-7 minutes more then any Defensman.

The fact that Fowlers 3rd in Shotblocks helps because Mete and Kulak are allergic to Blocking Shots and Hitting for that matter .
MTL needs 3 things from a LD :
1. PP Production
2. Shotblocker
3. Play 20-22 minutes a night
Dec. 11, 2019 at 12:12 a.m.
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Fowler has a 4 team trade list. 4. Montreal is not one if them. He’s happy where he is. Not waiving.


O Cool , you know Cam Fowler?
i mean i know Jake Allen from AAA but i've never been arrogant enough to speak for him .
Dec. 11, 2019 at 12:20 a.m.
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O Cool , you know Cam Fowler?
i mean i know Jake Allen from AAA but i've never been arrogant enough to speak for him .


When a player asks for and is given a contract like that it’s because A) he does not want to leave and B) he wants to control his destiny when and if that time comes.

Does not take much to figure this out. Or you could just take it from his mouth as he has said as much. Nor does it take much to figure out where he would go if he was willing to.

You can remain hopeful all you want. But the ink is not even dry on that contract yet. He’s going nowhere anytime soon. And when when/if he ever does he will choose where he goes.
Dec. 11, 2019 at 12:24 a.m.
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Quoting: Gofnut999
When a player asks for and is given a contract like that it’s because A) he does not want to leave and B) he wants to control his destiny when and if that time comes.

Does not take much to figure this out. Or you could just take it from his mouth as he has said as much. Nor does it take much to figure out where he would go if he was willing to.

You can remain hopeful all you want. But the ink is not even dry on that contract yet. He’s going nowhere anytime soon. And when when/if he ever does he will choose where he goes.


not what i asked .

did you or did you not just try to speak for a man you never met before ?

your 2nd attempt at a comment you actually spoke as if it was your opinion .

your first however you did as you often do
insist you got a direct link to the players desires and needs without a single source or reference in which they said it .

i finally figured i'd point it out because its super arrogant.
its one thing to present a reason for why you dont think he will
its quite something else to talk as if you speak for him .
Dec. 11, 2019 at 12:27 a.m.
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not what i asked .

did you or did you not just try to speak for a man you never met before ?

your 2nd attempt at a comment you actually spoke as if it was your opinion .

your first however you did as you often do
insist you got a direct link to the players desires and needs without a single source or reference in which they said it .

i finally figured i'd point it out because its super arrogant.
its one thing to present a reason for why you dont think he will
its quite something else to talk as if you speak for him .



Nope, he spoke for himself

You are confusing being arrogant with being realistic. The problem with being realistic is the truth hurts, and those that are not...don’t want to hear it.
Dec. 11, 2019 at 6:37 a.m.
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but as a Ducks fan what do you want keeping in mind MTL is unwilling to move out any roster player or any player drafted in the 1st round by us outside Juulsen ?


End game is getting Fowler
if i can pay less cool but there's only about 3-4 prospects we'd move right now and only Juulsen is a known commodity .

Evans , J.Olofsson , Ikonen or Norlinder are the only ones i see us parting with because they're in positions with depth and not top prospects in their pool but still very good


I'd take like a second and decent prospect lmao
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Dec. 11, 2019 at 7:28 a.m.
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O Cool , you know Cam Fowler?
i mean i know Jake Allen from AAA but i've never been arrogant enough to speak for him .


Dude stop posting Cam Fowler to Montreal, He's not waiving to go there. It's already been reported that all Canadian teams are on his no trade list. Reportedly it's all Western teams and hometown Detroit that he'd waive for only. So as much as you want Fowler to Montreal will never happen.
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Dec. 11, 2019 at 9:33 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Dude stop posting Cam Fowler to Montreal, He's not waiving to go there. It's already been reported that all Canadian teams are on his no trade list. Reportedly it's all Western teams and hometown Detroit that he'd waive for only. So as much as you want Fowler to Montreal will never happen.


first time in months that i have SMH
offer something or admit you're wasting air .
Dec. 11, 2019 at 9:35 p.m.
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I'll have whatever you're smoking. Those trades are all incredibly lopsided in MTL's favor.
Dec. 11, 2019 at 9:41 p.m.
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Nope, he spoke for himself

You are confusing being arrogant with being realistic. The problem with being realistic is the truth hurts, and those that are not...don’t want to hear it.


again arrogance .

Truth is emotionless and hurts no one .
Manipulative people try wielding it as a weapon when they cant offer anything of note .

You're projecting your hate for MTL onto the situation
unless you show me a post with Fowler having the same hang up i'm not going to assume he share's your prejudice's

you're capable of offering more intelligence in a post then 99% of the people on this site can including myself.
the issue is you've become lazy in your effort this season. before you used to offer why you think something wouldnt work and ontop of it what you think might work .

now its like you got a taste for Quantity in comments over Quality .
i dont block you for that simple reason like i usually do to people offering nothing but conjecture and hearsay .
Dec. 11, 2019 at 9:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Icegirl
I'll have whatever you're smoking. Those trades are all incredibly lopsided in MTL's favor.


see this is confusing because ive just got my ass handed to me by the entire group above about me over paying

what do you thinks fair just so i can gage a happy medium for the next time i post about said players ?
 
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