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What if pens got 1st pic in 04

Created by: jo_jo66
Initial Creation Date: Dec 11, 2019
Published: Dec 11, 2019 at 9:13
Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
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This would of been a deadly duo It’s just a WHAT IF Q
Trades
PIT
  1. Ovechkin, Alex
WSH
  1. Malkin, Evgeni
PIT
  1. Staal, Jordan
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And we didn’t trade him away
CAR
    PIT
    1. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
    EDM
    1. Bjugstad, Nick
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)
    Buried
    • Casey DeSmith: $175,000 ($1,250,000)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2020
    PIT
    PIT
    EDM
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    2021
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    ANA
    2022
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    24$81,500,000$78,512,587$132,500$3,832,500$2,987,413
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    PIT
    Guentzel, Jake
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 5
    PIT
    Crosby, Sidney
    $8,700,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    WSH
    Ovechkin, Alex
    $9,538,462
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    McCann, Jared
    $1,250,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
    CAR
    Staal, Jordan
    $6,000,000
    C, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    PIT
    Rust, Bryan
    $3,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    PIT
    Kahun, Dominik
    $925,000
    LW, RW, C
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Galchenyuk, Alex
    $4,900,000
    LW, C, RW
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Tanev, Brandon
    $3,500,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    PIT
    Aston-Reese, Zach
    $1,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    Lafferty, Sam
    $767,500
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Noesen, Stefan
    $700,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Blueger, Teddy
    $750,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    PIT
    Dumoulin, Brian
    $4,100,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
    PIT
    Letang, Kris
    $7,250,000
    RD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 3
    PIT
    Murray, Matt
    $3,750,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Johnson, Jack
    $3,250,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
    PIT
    Marino, John
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    Jarry, Tristan
    $675,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Pettersson, Marcus
    $874,125
    LD
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Schultz, Justin
    $5,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Riikola, Juuso
    $850,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Ruhwedel, Chad
    $700,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    PIT
    Simon, Dominik
    $750,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Hörnqvist, Patric
    $5,300,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 4

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    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:16
    #1
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    Arguably even better was if Ovechkin was born a little earlier...I think he was just a few weeks shy of being eligible for the 2003 draft where PIT took Marc-Andre Fleury 1st overall. Imagine Ovi, Geno, and Sid in consecutive drafts! Granted no Fleury but we could have found another goalie.
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    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:16
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    What if Anaheim got first pick in 05

    Geuntzel- Bobby Ryan - Ovi

    I think Ryan is a winger though.
    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:19
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    Quoting: Pens3lieve
    Arguably even better was if Ovechkin was born a little earlier...I think he was just a few weeks shy of being eligible for the 2003 draft where PIT took Marc-Andre Fleury 1st overall. Imagine Ovi, Geno, and Sid in consecutive drafts! Granted no Fleury but we could have found another goalie.


    That would of been a sick powerplay line
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    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:19
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    Quoting: jo_jo66
    That would of been a sick powerplay line


    And we also needed a goalie that time
    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:20
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    Its pretty mint.
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    Quoting: Pens3lieve
    Arguably even better was if Ovechkin was born a little earlier...I think he was just a few weeks shy of being eligible for the 2003 draft where PIT took Marc-Andre Fleury 1st overall. Imagine Ovi, Geno, and Sid in consecutive drafts! Granted no Fleury but we could have found another goalie.


    Not really. Because if they have Ovechkin in 2003-04 they probably aren’t bad enough to get Geno, and the lottery balls don’t fall their way to get Crosby.
    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:21
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    Not really. Because if they have Ovechkin in 2003-04 they probably aren’t bad enough to get Geno, and the lottery balls don’t fall their way to get Crosby.

    Debatable...but you never know...
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    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:22
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    Quoting: BankersBox
    What if Anaheim got first pick in 05

    Geuntzel- Bobby Ryan - Ovi

    I think Ryan is a winger though.


    Switch Guentzel with Boby Ryan
    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:23
    #8
    Who adds what?
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    Not really. Because if they have Ovechkin in 2003-04 they probably aren’t bad enough to get Geno, and the lottery balls don’t fall their way to get Crosby.


    Quoting: Pens3lieve
    Debatable...but you never know...


    Not much debate. No season in between.

    I'd move Ovi to 2L on this team. I think he'd work better with Staal than the little guys.
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    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:25
    #9
    Its pretty mint.
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    Quoting: Pens3lieve
    Debatable...but you never know...


    And I guess they wouldn’t have Fleury, so you never know. You couldn’t guarantee what would happen, since there are a bunch of little things that could go differently and have huge effects on the team.
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    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:25
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    Not really. Because if they have Ovechkin in 2003-04 they probably aren’t bad enough to get Geno, and the lottery balls don’t fall their way to get Crosby.


    Quoting: Pens3lieve
    Debatable...but you never know...


    Yah it is debatable but even tho in 03 we would of still picked flower we needed at goalie and we traded to get a first overall pick for that reason
    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:25
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    Its pretty mint.
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    Quoting: Eli
    Not much debate. No season in between.

    I'd move Ovi to 2L on this team. I think he'd work better with Staal than the little guys.


    If Ovechkin were 2 days older, there would be a season in between.
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    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:27
    #12
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    Quoting: Eli
    Not much debate. No season in between.

    I'd move Ovi to 2L on this team. I think he'd work better with Staal than the little guys.


    He can move up and down the line
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    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:33
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    what year was stall drafted
    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:41
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    Quoting: jo_jo66
    Switch Guentzel with Boby Ryan


    I wasn't as much focused on the lines as I was thinking what if Pitt ended up with Ryan over Crosby
    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:44
    #15
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    Quoting: BankersBox
    I wasn't as much focused on the lines as I was thinking what if Pitt ended up with Ryan over Crosby


    ??? who ever made that pick should get fired right away
    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:53
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    Quoting: jo_jo66
    ??? who ever made that pick should get fired right away


    Easy to say now, I just looked back at the 05 draft and I think a lot of teams would take a re-do if they could.
    Dec 11, 2019 at 9:55
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    Quoting: Pens3lieve
    Arguably even better was if Ovechkin was born a little earlier...I think he was just a few weeks shy of being eligible for the 2003 draft where PIT took Marc-Andre Fleury 1st overall. Imagine Ovi, Geno, and Sid in consecutive drafts! Granted no Fleury but we could have found another goalie.


    Wasn't it Florida who tried to draft Ovechkin in that Draft? Basically argued that if you ignored all the leap years since Ovi was born, he would have made the cutoff
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    Dec 11, 2019 at 10:14
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    Maybe Ovechkin would already have career 800G. Or maybe he'd struggle to find chemistry with Sid and/or Geno. Either way, I think things have worked out pretty well for both teams.
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    Dec 11, 2019 at 10:28
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    Quoting: BankersBox
    Easy to say now, I just looked back at the 05 draft and I think a lot of teams would take a re-do if they could.


    Damm your right now that I look back I think the same
    Dec 11, 2019 at 10:29
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    Quoting: Claesson4Norris
    Wasn't it Florida who tried to draft Ovechkin in that Draft? Basically argued that if you ignored all the leap years since Ovi was born, he would have made the cutoff


    Idk I have to go back and check

    Side questions should I start doing these WHAT IF ‘s they get really interesting
    Dec 11, 2019 at 10:30
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    Quoting: Brian2016
    Maybe Ovechkin would already have career 800G. Or maybe he'd struggle to find chemistry with Sid and/or Geno. Either way, I think things have worked out pretty well for both teams.


    Word Sid and ovi would of been domination
    Dec 12, 2019 at 3:28
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    Edited Dec 12, 2019 at 4:19
    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    Not really. Because if they have Ovechkin in 2003-04 they probably aren’t bad enough to get Geno, and the lottery balls don’t fall their way to get Crosby.


    idk. You'll remember Pittsburgh ended up last overall but Washington won the lottery and moved from second to first. Had the Penguins traded Jagr
    to the Caps for their 2004 1st round pick instead of Kris Beech, Ross Lupaschuk and Michal Sivek in July of 2001 they would have had both Ovechkin
    and Malkin and remained in the lottery mix for Crosby in 2005 (due to the lockout).
    Dec 12, 2019 at 4:22
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    The penguins are arguably the team who was effected the worst by the salary cap.
    They had the young talent to win a ton of cups and it wasn't even close with everyone else.
    The NHL basically stole a dynasty from the penguins so the rest of the league could live.
    Those are pretty much the facts. After FA tore this team apart it took like 10 years for them to get to the cup again. But they were clearly heads and shoulders above everyone else prior to the cap stealing the team of young talent.
    Which is exactly what would have happened here. The reason they got rid of Staal is they couldn't afford to pay him. You pay OV....no Staal money.
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    Dec 12, 2019 at 10:41
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    Quoting: jo_jo66
    what year was stall drafted


    2006...a draft were I wanted the Pens to take Backstrom....they could have taken Toews
    Staal was good, but man could imagine Sid/Geno/Backstrom down the middle?
    Dec 12, 2019 at 10:44
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    Quoting: pharrow
    The penguins are arguably the team who was effected the worst by the salary cap.
    They had the young talent to win a ton of cups and it wasn't even close with everyone else.
    The NHL basically stole a dynasty from the penguins so the rest of the league could live.
    Those are pretty much the facts. After FA tore this team apart it took like 10 years for them to get to the cup again. But they were clearly heads and shoulders above everyone else prior to the cap stealing the team of young talent.
    Which is exactly what would have happened here. The reason they got rid of Staal is they couldn't afford to pay him. You pay OV....no Staal money.


    Not entirely true, the Pens offered Staal a 10 year deal worth $60 mil, he turned it down....same contract he signed with Car. He just wanted to play with his brother and play a bigger role.
     
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