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Dec. 12, 2019 at 5:41 p.m.
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A "youth" lineup would look like this
Guentzel-McCann-Simon
Kahun-Hallander-Simon
ZAR-Lafferty-Legare
Almeida-Militec-Puustinen
Bellerive/Pavlychev/Caulfield/Drozg as scratches
Almari-Addison
MP-Marino
Riikola-whoever tf we have at RD
POJ as a scratch
Murray
Jarry
D'Orio
Larmi
Dec. 12, 2019 at 5:55 p.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
A "youth" lineup would look like this
Guentzel-McCann-Simon
Kahun-Hallander-Simon
ZAR-Lafferty-Legare
Almeida-Militec-Puustinen
Bellerive/Pavlychev/Caulfield/Drozg as scratches
Almari-Addison
MP-Marino
Riikola-whoever tf we have at RD
POJ as a scratch
Murray
Jarry
D'Orio
Larmi


ah yes sullivan loves simon so much that he made a clone of him i see
Dec. 12, 2019 at 5:58 p.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
A "youth" lineup would look like this
Guentzel-McCann-Simon
Kahun-Hallander-Simon
ZAR-Lafferty-Legare
Almeida-Militec-Puustinen
Bellerive/Pavlychev/Caulfield/Drozg as scratches
Almari-Addison
MP-Marino
Riikola-whoever tf we have at RD
POJ as a scratch
Murray
Jarry
D'Orio
Larmi


Why don’t you like POJ?
Dec. 12, 2019 at 6:03 p.m.
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Why don’t you like POJ?


Bc he hasn't shown me any signs of being a competent professional defenceman
Dec. 12, 2019 at 6:04 p.m.
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ah yes sullivan loves simon so much that he made a clone of him i see


?? Just move everyone else up one and put like Drozg or someone in lol
Dec. 12, 2019 at 6:09 p.m.
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Poulin and Legare are 3-4 years out.
Dec. 12, 2019 at 6:32 p.m.
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Bc he hasn't shown me any signs of being a competent professional defenceman


He’s only played 15 games into his professional career. Too early to tell. Plus he just returned from mono so he’ll need some time to get his conditioning back. He showed in junior that he’s a good skater, pretty fast and can move the puck. Also a poised player in his own end. The issue with him was he lacked the physicality to play in the NHL.
Dec. 12, 2019 at 6:33 p.m.
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Poulin and Legare are 3-4 years out.


Poulin has a chance to crack the Pens lineup next season.
Dec. 12, 2019 at 6:36 p.m.
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Poulin has a chance to crack the Pens lineup next season.


X... I would be surprised if Poulin makes the lineup out of juniors in his d+3 year
Dec. 12, 2019 at 7:22 p.m.
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Poulin has a chance to crack the Pens lineup next season.


He won't.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 5:52 a.m.
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X... I would be surprised if Poulin makes the lineup out of juniors in his d+3 year


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He won't.


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Poulin has a chance to crack the Pens lineup next season.


I think there is some credibility to this.
Look the window is closing. If they got the young talent they think can help, you are starting to look at the time to go "all in" and use it.
I would not be surprised if they got a 9 game call up, midway, and see how they play and go from there.
You got to go for it as that window closes.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 2:09 p.m.
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I think there is some credibility to this.
Look the window is closing. If they got the young talent they think can help, you are starting to look at the time to go "all in" and use it.
I would not be surprised if they got a 9 game call up, midway, and see how they play and go from there.
You got to go for it as that window closes.


I just find it hard to believe any player jumping from QMJHL to the NHL in a D+1 season unless they are an elite talent. Poulin could very well be good but not elite. Think it will take a bit to get to the professional game.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 3:41 p.m.
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I just find it hard to believe any player jumping from QMJHL to the NHL in a D+1 season unless they are an elite talent. Poulin could very well be good but not elite. Think it will take a bit to get to the professional game.


I think that is a poor way to look at it. There are some players who frankly are ready and will continue to develop at the pro level. I mean Légaré looked every bit the part in preseason and those were games that had NHL level talent in them. Yet he really stood out as being one of the best players on the ice. He's also fully developed physically. He's not a guy trying to gain weight and strength and that's a huge part of it.
You aren't talking about Hockey from 10+ years ago. Players are suppose to be on the ice by age 20. They get 6 months in the AHL and then called up. This isn't uncommon.
You are talking about players who will be 19 in in a month or two. It's not like they are currently all that far away from making the jump. They are already 6 foot 210lb guys. It's not like they are going to magically get faster. They will have a learning curve of the system, and I'm sure they will make mistakes along the way. But athletically, they are there. And when you need that talent boost to take those last couple of shots, why not. You have nothing to lose.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 4:26 p.m.
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I think that is a poor way to look at it. There are some players who frankly are ready and will continue to develop at the pro level. I mean Légaré looked every bit the part in preseason and those were games that had NHL level talent in them. Yet he really stood out as being one of the best players on the ice. He's also fully developed physically. He's not a guy trying to gain weight and strength and that's a huge part of it.
You aren't talking about Hockey from 10+ years ago. Players are suppose to be on the ice by age 20. They get 6 months in the AHL and then called up. This isn't uncommon.
You are talking about players who will be 19 in in a month or two. It's not like they are currently all that far away from making the jump. They are already 6 foot 210lb guys. It's not like they are going to magically get faster. They will have a learning curve of the system, and I'm sure they will make mistakes along the way. But athletically, they are there. And when you need that talent boost to take those last couple of shots, why not. You have nothing to lose.


Still doubt it. Will have to give me some examples of a player jumping from the QMJHL to the NHL so quickly. Hell we had Protas put up 3 points in 2 preseason game and he plays in a harder league (WHL- which he was leading the league b/f WJC D1 tournament) but I know he isn't ready for the NHL this season or next. Extremely rare kids take the jump so quickly unless, like I said, they are elite.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 5:42 p.m.
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Still doubt it. Will have to give me some examples of a player jumping from the QMJHL to the NHL so quickly. Hell we had Protas put up 3 points in 2 preseason game and he plays in a harder league (WHL- which he was leading the league b/f WJC D1 tournament) but I know he isn't ready for the NHL this season or next. Extremely rare kids take the jump so quickly unless, like I said, they are elite.


People take time to develop because they haven't matured. These guys are grown. Protas is 6'6 and weighed 210lbs. I'm sorry but that's thin for a guy that tall.
He should be 230 at least at that weight. So it's not surprising. To give you an idea Pavlychev for the penguins is 6'7 225lb, and still has room to grow. So I wouldn't be shocked that guy isn't ready. He's got 20lbs of mass to gain yet.
We aren't talking about guys here who have to grow into it. You are talking about guys who are dominating at their level. Poulin is putting up 1.5 pts per game. That's a really solid clip. To put it in perspective PLD for CBJ was putting up 1.15ppg his last year in the q and he made the jump at 19.
So lets not BS about what ready is. By 19 they have the skating skills, and the shooting skills. It's the physical maturity to fight for the puck that is usually holding guys back.
You have a closing window, and a team looking to finish out strong. If they think they can slide these guys in to the benefit of the team. They will, without a doubt.
They don't have to worry about the rest. It will figure itself out.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 11:12 p.m.
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Poulin and Legare are 3-4 years out.


HA! That was funny. No way bud.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 11:35 p.m.
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People take time to develop because they haven't matured. These guys are grown. Protas is 6'6 and weighed 210lbs. I'm sorry but that's thin for a guy that tall.
He should be 230 at least at that weight. So it's not surprising. To give you an idea Pavlychev for the penguins is 6'7 225lb, and still has room to grow. So I wouldn't be shocked that guy isn't ready. He's got 20lbs of mass to gain yet.
We aren't talking about guys here who have to grow into it. You are talking about guys who are dominating at their level. Poulin is putting up 1.5 pts per game. That's a really solid clip. To put it in perspective PLD for CBJ was putting up 1.15ppg his last year in the q and he made the jump at 19.
So lets not BS about what ready is. By 19 they have the skating skills, and the shooting skills. It's the physical maturity to fight for the puck that is usually holding guys back.
You have a closing window, and a team looking to finish out strong. If they think they can slide these guys in to the benefit of the team. They will, without a doubt.
They don't have to worry about the rest. It will figure itself out.


It's not about size. It's about processing the speed of the game. The QMJHL is the weakest of the 3 junior leagues, it is NOWHERE near professional level in terms of speed. Poulin is not ready and won't be ready next year. Protas is better than Poulin and if he isn't ready, neither his Poulin. Sure they could play him early, wouldn't be smart though, it's how you ruin a players development.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 11:38 p.m.
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HA! That was funny. No way bud.


Yes way. I'd put money he isn't in the NHL until 2022 at best. I mean, I guess he could be earlier but wouldn't be smart.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 11:47 p.m.
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Yes way. I'd put money he isn't in the NHL until 2022 at best. I mean, I guess he could be earlier but wouldn't be smart.


Bud he's crushing it in Training Camp and in his current league. BOTH of them are beasts.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 12:05 a.m.
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Bud he's crushing it in Training Camp and in his current league. BOTH of them are beasts.


First off, preseason means absolutely nothing. Remember Ty Rattier who led the NHL in preseason points with 11 points in 4 games a season ago? Yeah he isn't even in the NHL anymore. So throw that out of the window.

As for their play this season in the QMJHL, what's your definition of "crushing it" and being "beasts"? Being what they were expected to be?

Poulin is 21st in points, 11th in points per game, 13th in primary points per game, 8th in even strength primary points per game, 16th in even strength primary points per 60 minutes.
Legare is 14th in points, 15th in points per game, 47th in primary points per game, 70th in even strength primary points per game, 73rd in even strength primary points per 60 minutes.

Off the bat it's easy to see Legare is not a "beast". Poulin looks good but he's not a "beast" or "crushing it" in the QMJHL, he's doing exactly what a 1st round pick in their D+1 should be doing, maybe even less. This isn't to say these players won't be good, I think they will, but the chances of a player jumping from the weakest junior league, where they are decent, to the NHL so quickly and being impactful is super rare. So expect them in 2022 at the earliest.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 1:22 a.m.
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First off, preseason means absolutely nothing. Remember Ty Rattier who led the NHL in preseason points with 11 points in 4 games a season ago? Yeah he isn't even in the NHL anymore. So throw that out of the window.

As for their play this season in the QMJHL, what's your definition of "crushing it" and being "beasts"? Being what they were expected to be?

Poulin is 21st in points, 11th in points per game, 13th in primary points per game, 8th in even strength primary points per game, 16th in even strength primary points per 60 minutes.
Legare is 14th in points, 15th in points per game, 47th in primary points per game, 70th in even strength primary points per game, 73rd in even strength primary points per 60 minutes.

Off the bat it's easy to see Legare is not a "beast". Poulin looks good but he's not a "beast" or "crushing it" in the QMJHL, he's doing exactly what a 1st round pick in their D+1 should be doing, maybe even less. This isn't to say these players won't be good, I think they will, but the chances of a player jumping from the weakest junior league, where they are decent, to the NHL so quickly and being impactful is super rare. So expect them in 2022 at the earliest.


I'd say minus 2 years from your predictions for them both.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 5:06 a.m.
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It's not about size. It's about processing the speed of the game. The QMJHL is the weakest of the 3 junior leagues, it is NOWHERE near professional level in terms of speed. Poulin is not ready and won't be ready next year. Protas is better than Poulin and if he isn't ready, neither his Poulin. Sure they could play him early, wouldn't be smart though, it's how you ruin a players development.


It is not about "processing the speed of the game"
that is a myth spoken by people who have never wore skates.
The difference at the NHL and lower levels is the size speed and skill of the player.
You are talking about guys who have the size and speed, and the skill to be there.
Any adjustment to the NHL speed in not something that takes years to over come. It's a shock no matter at what point you are dropped into it.
PLD got moved over because he was physically mature enough to make that jump and his speed of play was there.
The penguins are sitting on two guys who could most likely fill in a role now. But the reason they aren't there is more of a numbers game. If they didn't have numbers they wouldn't be there in the Q.
So if they think these guys are going to help them win the cup and they don't have the numbers they would like, they WILL in deed move them over.
Believe me, playing with guys who are smaller, slower, and not as skilled as them, isn't exactly helping their development and not "preparing them for the speed of the game."
It's them basically tooling around down there waiting for their chance. This is a system that was designed for a time where athletes weren't training like they do now at 17 years old to make it to the pros.
Times have changed. If you are both mentally and physically mature enough as a player is the real hold up.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:38 a.m.
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It is not about "processing the speed of the game"
that is a myth spoken by people who have never wore skates.
The difference at the NHL and lower levels is the size speed and skill of the player.
You are talking about guys who have the size and speed, and the skill to be there.
Any adjustment to the NHL speed in not something that takes years to over come. It's a shock no matter at what point you are dropped into it.
PLD got moved over because he was physically mature enough to make that jump and his speed of play was there.


LOL dude you really think NHL speed of the game, not just physical speed, but processing the actual speed, is that same as it is in the QMJHL? Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. AGAIN, give me examples of this. You've given me one out of thousands and thousands of players, and that player was a 3rd overall pick that had an amazing draft year.

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The penguins are sitting on two guys who could most likely fill in a role now. But the reason they aren't there is more of a numbers game. If they didn't have numbers they wouldn't be there in the Q.


There is absolutely no way Poulin, and especially Legare, would be able to stand the NHL right now. If you really think so you are blind. They won't be able to handle it next year, let alone right now.

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So if they think these guys are going to help them win the cup and they don't have the numbers they would like, they WILL in deed move them over.
Believe me, playing with guys who are smaller, slower, and not as skilled as them, isn't exactly helping their development and not "preparing them for the speed of the game."
It's them basically tooling around down there waiting for their chance. This is a system that was designed for a time where athletes weren't training like they do now at 17 years old to make it to the pros. Times have changed. If you are both mentally and physically mature enough as a player is the real hold up.


You're right! It is mentally AND physically. These kids aren't ready mentally. The QMJHL is a fraction of pro hockey. You can be as fast and physical as you want, but if you can't handle the actual mental speed of the pros, which they can't, you won't do jack in the NHL. Nothing is more important than IQ. If they were absolutely tearing up the QMJHL then maybe you'd have a case, but neither are, not even close.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:40 a.m.
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I'd say minus 2 years from your predictions for them both.


What about anything I just proved to you makes you think they'll be playing next year? Other than being a blind fan, what proof do you have?
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LOL dude you really think NHL speed of the game, not just physical speed, but processing the actual speed, is that same as it is in the QMJHL? Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. AGAIN, give me examples of this. You've given me one out of thousands and thousands of players, and that player was a 3rd overall pick that had an amazing draft year.

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The penguins are sitting on two guys who could most likely fill in a role now. But the reason they aren't there is more of a numbers game. If they didn't have numbers they wouldn't be there in the Q.


There is absolutely no way Poulin, and especially Legare, would be able to stand the NHL right now. If you really think so you are blind. They won't be able to handle it next year, let alone right now.

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So if they think these guys are going to help them win the cup and they don't have the numbers they would like, they WILL in deed move them over.
Believe me, playing with guys who are smaller, slower, and not as skilled as them, isn't exactly helping their development and not "preparing them for the speed of the game."
It's them basically tooling around down there waiting for their chance. This is a system that was designed for a time where athletes weren't training like they do now at 17 years old to make it to the pros. Times have changed. If you are both mentally and physically mature enough as a player is the real hold up.


You're right! It is mentally AND physically. These kids aren't ready mentally. The QMJHL is a fraction of pro hockey. You can be as fast and physical as you want, but if you can't handle the actual mental speed of the pros, which they can't, you won't do jack in the NHL. Nothing is more important than IQ. If they were absolutely tearing up the QMJHL then maybe you'd have a case, but neither are, not even close.


this is such nonsense.
there are 18 year old kids playing professionally in just about every sport.
You can look at high level college football that has 18 year old kids who adjust to the speed of the game. It's no different. They stick 18 year olds into playing high end college backetball and the only thing stopping them from going pro is the age limit.

It's every single sport. The thing that holds players back is they aren't developed physically. That's what holds people back in football, basketball, baseball, you name it. It's not the "speed of the game"
You act as if playing in slower leagues makes you magically play faster. It doesn't.
You have to be dropped into the game to adjust to it's speed. It's always been that way.
There is no substitute for doing actually playing at the level. None.
You keep arguing nonsense. But if they are closing out the window, the chances are high they bring in their best talent fast. Period!
They have no reason to hold it back. None. What are they going to do, wait forever till the windows closed and say oh look we have these talented pieces to play now but who aren't superstar level talent capable of actually making a difference on their own. What ignorant thinking.
 
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