Quoting: MG1986
At least according to Elliotte Freidman, the Leafs are kicking around on both these players. Manson's injury certainly doesn't help move things along. On the return, I cannot see the Leafs willing to give up yet another 1st rounder AND Liljigren here. Yes, a health Josh Manson is a very reliable and defensive top-4. I would not call him a top pairing defender by any means though. Plus, the Leafs are basically getting a rental Ryan Miller. If the Leafs really wanted to do something about their D, they would give up Barrie over Ceci. I am not sure Ceci get's you much, but as a third pairing with Dermott, he's been at least decent. Barrie, giving every opportunity to play on the top D pairing with Reilly and 1st line PP minutes, has not been very good, especially defensively. So, you deal Barrie, Timashov, Bracco, 2021 1st round draft pick and a 2022 2nd round draft pick should do it. While I have liked Timashov's game, at times, I think Pierre Engvall is the better all around player and has slid past him on the depth charts.
Quoting: newballcoach
The value of Timashov and Bracco have already been discussed here. Why do you think Barrie is such a valuable piece in this trade? He's playing very poorly as you say and he is a UFA who is going to sign with the highest bidder. That's also a lot of picks to give up, and as well has been mentioned, the Ducks have nothing behind Manson so he's a hard guy to give up. I'm not sure there's a fit between the two teams, no matter Friedman says (he really only looks at the Toronto side).
I could see them trying to work out a 3-way deal here. Carolina could really use Kapanen and Toronto could use Manson. I wonder if the Canes would give up something like Toronto's 2020 1st (plus?) to the Ducks, Kap to the Canes and Manson to the Leafs. Maybe the Leafs need to add something to Anaheim (that could be where Bracco fits in and maybe Ceci if they need a guy to play). But that seems to be maybe the basis of a trade?
My spin is: Babcock messed up Barrie and he needs a fresh start. I have seen him in the past and he was a high risk but high reward offensive RHD. Getting him with a steady LHD in Anaheim would allow him to be a top pair dman and score like a 2nd/3rd line forward again. He has shown flashes of it in Toronto which is teasing us. I am pretty sure he would consider signing a deal with Anaheim with their young players coming up the system as well as the SoCal lifestyle but maybe add the conditional 1st if he doesn't.
Ceci plays the body, and can handle 3rd pairing match-ups quite well. Unfortunately he is paid like a 2nd pair dman and has been used as a top pairing dman. He just doesn't think quick enough against top skilled forwards. On the top pairing I basically felt bad for him as he just wasn't reacting fast enough. On the 3rd pairing I am okay with him and when he gets caught out there when the other team has a line change he has usually been able to survive. If he was traded I would hope it would be for a backup goalie.
I am not sure how much Anaheim needs forwards but they might be interested.
They are paying cash for Patrick Eaves that the insurance isn't covering on LTIR. The Leafs have lots of cash. This would help Anaheim's internal salary cap.
I also say that Manson isn't as good as Muzzin BUT he is a RHD which put his value up a bit so I would suggest taking the balance of Eave's contract to match Muzzin's value.
I would remove Miller from the trade.
Instead of a 1st I would put Barrie. As for the B prospect I would hate to lose Bracco but he won't displace Kapanen in Toronto on the 3rd line and would be a creative threat on the 2nd or 3rd line RW on any team.
I would suggest:
Manson, Eaves for Barrie, Bracco, and a 2nd Pick 2021 (conditional 1st 2021 if Barrie doesn't re-sign in Ana).