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Defensive core Trades with WSH

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Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 13, 2019
Published: Dec. 13, 2019
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Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Jensen, Nick
  2. 2020 1st round pick (WSH)
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Petry, Jeff ($2,750,000 retained)
2.
OTT
  1. Kulak, Brett
  2. 2020 4th round pick (WPG)
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$72,221,308$0$3,315,000$9,278,692
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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UFA - 2
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$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
LW, RW
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
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UFA - 4
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UFA - 3
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
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NMC
UFA - 7
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$748,333$748,333
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UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
G
RFA - 3
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$771,666$771,666 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$763,333$763,333 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Dec. 13, 2019 at 2:36 p.m.
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Why would Montreal do that Sens trade? I tthink Montreal could get that without retaining on Petry
Dec. 13, 2019 at 2:50 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Why would Montreal do that Sens trade? I tthink Montreal could get that without retaining on Petry


why would Habs trade Petry now? They still have a chance at the playoffs and he's signed for one more season
Dec. 13, 2019 at 3:17 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Why would Montreal do that Sens trade? I tthink Montreal could get that without retaining on Petry


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why would Habs trade Petry now? They still have a chance at the playoffs and he's signed for one more season


Gill Georges Weaver Emelin, we need defensive dman for Price lol this is just for fun
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Dec. 13, 2019 at 3:22 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Why would Montreal do that Sens trade? I tthink Montreal could get that without retaining on Petry


Quoting: BorisBagel
why would Habs trade Petry now? They still have a chance at the playoffs and he's signed for one more season


Good questions. Boro is tough, and playoff teams like to add muscle.

People really underrate Jensen. He was a solid 2nd pair D in Detroit the last two years, putting up good defensive stats on a bad defensive team. He was their best penalty killer by a few measures. Wsh, Tor, and Pit fans were all begging for him at the deadline, on here. The Caps ultimately got him for a 2nd and a recent 2nd who was doing well at the time, in the NHL. Jensen's helped the Caps' PK improve from 26th overall last year to where it's hovering around 10th early this season, and it's risen as high as 6th.

Petry is definitely better, but Jensen plays tough minutes against tough competition in Washington, so their offense this year ins't comparable. When he plays the kind of minutes Petry's getting, he can get 20 even strength points. Petry tops out at 30. Jensen is three years younger and signed for two years longer, at the same total price. If MTL were giving up on this year's playoff race, a straight up one for one could be win-win.

If the goal here is for MTL to add a 1st in a deep draft, then I think Petry is definitely worth one even before retention but Jensen isn't far behind. Someone I could see the Caps making a cap casualty of, based on a slow start to the season, is Richard Panik. If you want to do Petry for a 1st, retention for a 2nd, and take back a contract, that's your guy. Then if you wanted to balance depth charts with a minor swap of Johansen for Vejdemo? Great.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 3:37 p.m.
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Good questions. Boro is tough, and playoff teams like to add muscle.

People really underrate Jensen. He was a solid 2nd pair D in Detroit the last two years, putting up good defensive stats on a bad defensive team. He was their best penalty killer by a few measures. Wsh, Tor, and Pit fans were all begging for him at the deadline, on here. The Caps ultimately got him for a 2nd and a recent 2nd who was doing well at the time, in the NHL. Jensen's helped the Caps' PK improve from 26th overall last year to where it's hovering around 10th early this season, and it's risen as high as 6th.

Petry is definitely better, but Jensen plays tough minutes against tough competition in Washington, so their offense this year ins't comparable. When he plays the kind of minutes Petry's getting, he can get 20 even strength points. Petry tops out at 30. Jensen is three years younger and signed for two years longer, at the same total price. If MTL were giving up on this year's playoff race, a straight up one for one could be win-win.

If the goal here is for MTL to add a 1st in a deep draft, then I think Petry is definitely worth one even before retention but Jensen isn't far behind. Someone I could see the Caps making a cap casualty of, based on a slow start to the season, is Richard Panik. If you want to do Petry for a 1st, retention for a 2nd, and take back a contract, that's your guy. Then if you wanted to balance depth charts with a minor swap of Johansen for Vejdemo? Great.


Petry is a top30 Dman in the league, Jensen is what top 100 ? Petry is an excellent #3 and Jensen #5. You can’t compare those 2, Petry just turn 32 but is a fluide skater + a late bloomer. He won’t decline for the next 4 years. Jensen is just a plug if Petry gets traded for a 1st + 2nd, giving time to Brook to improve in Laval. Petry is worth a 1st + 2nd round pick no salary retained, so retained 2.75M, you are sending Jensen
Dec. 13, 2019 at 4:02 p.m.
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Petry is a top30 Dman in the league, Jensen is what top 100 ? Petry is an excellent #3 and Jensen #5. You can’t compare those 2, Petry just turn 32 but is a fluide skater + a late bloomer. He won’t decline for the next 4 years. Jensen is just a plug if Petry gets traded for a 1st + 2nd, giving time to Brook to improve in Laval. Petry is worth a 1st + 2nd round pick no salary retained, so retained 2.75M, you are sending Jensen


Depending what we're ranking, sure. You can't really compare Jensen's current shutodown role in WSH to Petry's more offensive role in MTL, but the last two years in Detroit, Jensen played the same kind of 2nd pair two-way role almost as well as Petry on a slightly worse team.

At even strength points over the last two seasons, combined, Petry was 15th among RHD and Jensen only 43rd, so that's a difference of an average top pairing guy to a slightly above average 2nd pairing RHD. http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skaterpoints&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20172018&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&leftyOrRighty=R&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evPoints,points

Unblocked shot attempt percentage over the last two years (min 100 games played) with the score close, Petry is 13th and Jensen is 28th (both top pair, but still the advantage to Petry). http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skaterpercentages&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20172018&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&leftyOrRighty=R&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,100&sort=unblockedShotAttemptsPctgClose

Hits and blocks, the edge goes even further to Petry.

Short handed time on ice, Petry is 16th and Jensen is 19th. They're both below average 1st pairing guys, there. http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skaterpenaltykill&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20172018&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&leftyOrRighty=R&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,100&sort=shTimeOnIce

Jensen is three years younger. Hockey players typically play their best in their 20s. Jensen is signed for four years, and the Habs' window to contend opens in about two or three years. Jensen is more valuable to Montreal than Petry, due to term, even though Petry is a better hockey player right now, and more valuable to Washington right now. When Kotkaniemi, Poehling, and Domi are all on big contracts in a few years, Jensen's cap hit to be a weak 1st/2nd pairing RHD would be very valuable. He's not as good as Petry, but he can eat the same minutes almost as well, at half the cap hit in the years that matter.

edit: Of course, I don't know much about this new ixg/60 stuff, but Jensen's currently about a hundred spots ahead of Petry on that. Is that stuff any good, ixg?
http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=w1&stdoi=std&rate=r&team=ALL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

Seems too new to put too much weight into, but let's call them even.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 5:45 p.m.
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Good questions. Boro is tough, and playoff teams like to add muscle.

People really underrate Jensen. He was a solid 2nd pair D in Detroit the last two years, putting up good defensive stats on a bad defensive team. He was their best penalty killer by a few measures. Wsh, Tor, and Pit fans were all begging for him at the deadline, on here. The Caps ultimately got him for a 2nd and a recent 2nd who was doing well at the time, in the NHL. Jensen's helped the Caps' PK improve from 26th overall last year to where it's hovering around 10th early this season, and it's risen as high as 6th.

Petry is definitely better, but Jensen plays tough minutes against tough competition in Washington, so their offense this year ins't comparable. When he plays the kind of minutes Petry's getting, he can get 20 even strength points. Petry tops out at 30. Jensen is three years younger and signed for two years longer, at the same total price. If MTL were giving up on this year's playoff race, a straight up one for one could be win-win.

If the goal here is for MTL to add a 1st in a deep draft, then I think Petry is definitely worth one even before retention but Jensen isn't far behind. Someone I could see the Caps making a cap casualty of, based on a slow start to the season, is Richard Panik. If you want to do Petry for a 1st, retention for a 2nd, and take back a contract, that's your guy. Then if you wanted to balance depth charts with a minor swap of Johansen for Vejdemo? Great.


If we are trading Petry, it would mean we aren't making the playoffs hence that Boro trade is useless. I'm confused when you say Petry's points top out at 30 when he's put up 46 and 42 points in the last 2 seasons and he's currently on pace for 41 this season.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 5:51 p.m.
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If we are trading Petry, it would mean we aren't making the playoffs hence that Boro trade is useless. I'm confused when you say Petry's points top out at 30 when he's put up 46 and 42 points in the last 2 seasons and he's currently on pace for 41 this season.


Sorry. I meant at even strength. Because it's not Jensen's fault nobody puts him on their power play. So, yeah, he's got a third less offense than Petry, in a fair comparison. But he's three years younger at half the cap hit for twice the term. If the Habs figure they're missing the playoffs for some reason, a one for one could be good for each side? Don't know that the Caps really need to mess with their defense right now, but Petry's fantastic, and of course every team would love to try to make him work if he were available.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 5:55 p.m.
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Sorry. I meant at even strength. Because it's not Jensen's fault nobody puts him on their power play. So, yeah, he's got a third less offense than Petry, in a fair comparison. But he's three years younger at half the cap hit for twice the term. If the Habs figure they're missing the playoffs for some reason, a one for one could be good for each side? Don't know that the Caps really need to mess with their defense right now, but Petry's fantastic, and of course every team would love to try to make him work if he were available.


He's put up 22 points in the last 2 seasons combined. Obviously he's not an offensive defensemen. I would say he tops out as a 3rd pairing defensemen in the NHL, and if Montreal got him, we would just end up flipping him regardless if we were rebuilding.
Dec. 13, 2019 at 7:07 p.m.
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Sorry. I meant at even strength. Because it's not Jensen's fault nobody puts him on their power play. So, yeah, he's got a third less offense than Petry, in a fair comparison. But he's three years younger at half the cap hit for twice the term. If the Habs figure they're missing the playoffs for some reason, a one for one could be good for each side? Don't know that the Caps really need to mess with their defense right now, but Petry's fantastic, and of course every team would love to try to make him work if he were available.


Why are you saying Jensen for Petry one for one ? Trade Orlov for Kulak, Kulak is making less money and he’s younger.
 
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