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Team: 2019-20 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 14, 2019
Published: Dec. 14, 2019
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Couple of things to break down here. First things first, nothing can fix this team as it stands. Even healthy, this team just can’t compete. They have so little passion and drive, it’s staggering. This is a straight up tear down, so make of it what you want. As far as I’m concerned, no one’s place is safe anymore and everyone should be prepared to say goodbye. This is about youth and cap space. Also, and this goes without saying, this team would probably be even worse. However, there’s plenty of energy and potential along with 1st round picks.

1) Dach and Boqvist go to the world juniors. Boqvist could use some more playing time and Sweden guarantees that. I’m sure he gets plenty of time with Rockford, but this never hurts (as long as he doesn’t get jokiharju’ed in the summer and traded). Dach should have been in juniors this, now he’s 11 straight games without a point, he needs this even more than boqvist.
2) rebuild. Just do it, the writing has been on the wall for a while. I don’t have any clue what kind of value toews has, but I really don’t think he is trade-able right now. Other trades are just what I’m hoping we can get in return.
3) JC and Stan are not the men to lead this team forward. JC has proven to be an incompetent coach long term, with his system and poor man management. Stan has presided over the best period in franchise history, and he will be remembered for it. However, that was then and this is now. We need a new philosophy, much like the red wings did. Holland stayed wayyyyyy too long and they finally hired Steve Yzerman back and now have only one way to go (....up).

For the sake of realism, and knowing the right trade would never happen, dach is exempt from any trade.
Trades
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  1. Reimer, James
  2. Slavin, Jaccob
  3. Teräväinen, Teuvo
  4. 2020 1st round pick (TOR)
  5. 2021 1st round pick (CAR)
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  1. 2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
  2. 2020 4th round pick (MTL)
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CHI
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Kapanen, Kasperi
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
TOR
  1. Saad, Brandon
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Am I off base for thinking Toronto could use a player like this on offense? Two way, strong forward.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:06 a.m.
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Id do that Leafs trade in a milisecond.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:08 a.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Id do that Leafs trade in a milisecond.


I’d only preface it by saying I considered making the 3rd rounder a second rounder.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:09 a.m.
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Quoting: HatterTParty
I’d only preface it by saying I considered making the 3rd rounder a second rounder.


Good!
Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:12 a.m.
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I would prefer to simply let Kapanen continue his development. Produces at a similar level and is already one of the better PKers in the league.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:15 a.m.
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Yes the Hawks need to tear it down, Stan had a chance to do something this past summer with a lot of cap space to maybe squeeze one last run out of this group but he blew it and now the reality is to tear it down.

But for the sake of realism as you put it, erase that Carolina trade cause there's no way the Canes are giving that much for Kane and a UFA goalie.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:21 a.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Yes the Hawks need to tear it down, Stan had a chance to do something this past summer with a lot of cap space to maybe squeeze one last run out of this group but he blew it and now the reality is to tear it down.

But for the sake of realism as you put it, erase that Carolina trade cause there's no way the Canes are giving that much for Kane and a UFA goalie.


Yea, that Carolina trade felt like a stretch when I asked for Slavin. However, Kane, in my opinion, is still marquee. He could fetch a king’s ransom and if the Canes were going for it this year, he improves on Teuvo, lehner is a great option next to mrazek, and Reimer controls the cap switch, and that leaves slavin. Slavin might be my favorite defensive defenseman in the league right now. He’s so smart and consistent. So yes, I might have stretched with him, but I did so because Carolina might have the best dman pool in the league.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:32 a.m.
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Yeah, you barely get 2 mins with Waddell when you asked for Teuvo, but you got hung up on when you brought up Slavin.

Quoting: HatterTParty
Yea, that Carolina trade felt like a stretch when I asked for Slavin. However, Kane, in my opinion, is still marquee. He could fetch a king’s ransom and if the Canes were going for it this year, he improves on Teuvo, lehner is a great option next to mrazek, and Reimer controls the cap switch, and that leaves slavin. Slavin might be my favorite defensive defenseman in the league right now. He’s so smart and consistent. So yes, I might have stretched with him, but I did so because Carolina might have the best dman pool in the league.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:40 a.m.
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Yea, that Carolina trade felt like a stretch when I asked for Slavin. However, Kane, in my opinion, is still marquee. He could fetch a king’s ransom and if the Canes were going for it this year, he improves on Teuvo, lehner is a great option next to mrazek, and Reimer controls the cap switch, and that leaves slavin. Slavin might be my favorite defensive defenseman in the league right now. He’s so smart and consistent. So yes, I might have stretched with him, but I did so because Carolina might have the best dman pool in the league.


Yeah but it's not just Slavin, you're asking for TWO 1sts on top of Teuvo and Slavin, Kane is still elite yes but he's 31 with a $10M cap hit for 3 more seasons after this one so even as good as he is with that kind of cap hit I just doubt he's got that kind of value.

Slavin and Teravainen are young and signed to good value contracts with a lot of term which makes them very valuable, really the least understood thing on CapFriendly is the value of term.

I don't think taking Reimer warrants any extra consideration/compensation if that's what you're thinking or at least not a large compensation, he's still a capable backup, overpaid a bit but still a decent backup compared to what some teams are rolling out.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:54 a.m.
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No Dach for Turcotte in this post? Hmmm, thats interesting.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:57 a.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Yeah but it's not just Slavin, you're asking for TWO 1sts on top of Teuvo and Slavin, Kane is still elite yes but he's 31 with a $10M cap hit for 3 more seasons after this one so even as good as he is with that kind of cap hit I just doubt he's got that kind of value.

Slavin and Teravainen are young and signed to good value contracts with a lot of term which makes them very valuable, really the least understood thing on CapFriendly is the value of term.

I don't think taking Reimer warrants any extra consideration/compensation if that's what you're thinking or at least not a large compensation, he's still a capable backup, overpaid a bit but still a decent backup compared to what some teams are rolling out.


This trade is definitely off in value, but I do want to say that Kane is an Ageless talent. I have no doubt in my mind that he produces at a first-line level until his current contract is done. This guy will certainly be in the league until he is 40 years old, and I would prefer him to be a lifetime Blackhawk.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 11:58 a.m.
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Toews and Kane are untouchables. You'll regret moving them when you see how successful they are on a good team with good players and structure. Colliton and Bowman have to go.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 12:31 p.m.
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Quoting: MacerV
I would prefer to simply let Kapanen continue his development. Produces at a similar level and is already one of the better PKers in the league.


Saad is an upgrade on the Leafs compared to anything Kapenen could become on the Leafs, Kapenen is an upgrade on the Hawks compared to what Saad brings, it's really a win win for both sides
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 12:44 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Id do that Leafs trade in a milisecond.


Yeah, it's totally slanted in the Leafs favor. Terrible trade for the Hawks.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 12:48 p.m.
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Yeah, it's totally slanted in the Leafs favor. Terrible trade for the Hawks.


I know you think it should probably be Nylander for Saad to only be fair to you, but IMO better pick and like Bracco to that would be enough.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 12:48 p.m.
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There's no trigger to pull on that Montreal trade.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 12:52 p.m.
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I know you think it should probably be Nylander for Saad to only be fair to you, but IMO better pick and like Bracco to that would be enough.


I don't think Saad and Nylander are 1 for 1 at this point but it's not far off. Closer then this If we just look at Saad for Kap, as Hawks lose that trade every day of the week. That's no knock on Kap, but Saad is an experienced player with rings, has great speed, and one of the better 2 way wingers in the league; defensively what he brings to the table is huge.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 12:53 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsForEver
There's no trigger to pull on that Montreal trade.


You're right because MTL is going be selling not buying more then likely.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 12:56 p.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Yeah, it's totally slanted in the Leafs favor. Terrible trade for the Hawks.


So the younger winger who's cheaper with more term and is a RFA once this deal is done plus a 3rd and a UFA dman you could probably flip for a late pick for 1.5 years of a $6M 27 year old winger is terrible for the Hawks?

LOL.. Get real, that's a great trade for Chicago!
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 1:00 p.m.
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So the younger winger who's cheaper with more term and is a RFA once this deal is done plus a 3rd and a UFA dman you could probably flip for a late pick for 1.5 years of a $6M 27 year old winger is terrible for the Hawks?

LOL.. Get real, that's a great trade for Chicago!


"So the winger who's cheaper with more term is an RFA" do you realize what you just said? Saad is hands down the better player and starts with evaluating with the player skill, not their position. Ceci is an overpaid D guy and doesn't have any street value, his UFA is going to run out and he'll walk. So Saad for Kap and a 3rd rounder; we'll keep Saad for another 2 years.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 1:12 p.m.
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"So the winger who's cheaper with more term is an RFA" do you realize what you just said? Saad is hands down the better player and starts with evaluating with the player skill, not their position. Ceci is an overpaid D guy and doesn't have any street value, his UFA is going to run out and he'll walk. So Saad for Kap and a 3rd rounder; we'll keep Saad for another 2 years.


Yes I know exactly what I said, cap strapped Hawks couldn't use the cap savings of a cheaper, younger winger? lol

Ceci is inconsequential but you could perhaps get something out if him, if not it's no loss.

You keep Saad and watch his value diminish, good luck prolonging your rebuild.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 1:19 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Yes I know exactly what I said, cap strapped Hawks couldn't use the cap savings of a cheaper, younger winger? lol

Ceci is inconsequential but you could perhaps get something out if him, if not it's no loss.

You keep Saad and watch his value diminish, good luck prolonging your rebuild.


More wrong from you. Hawks aren't cap strapped if you understood where they are at today and will be next year. Go look at the team next year, do a AGM yourself and you'll see why you're wrong there assuming you also understand the prospects the Hawks have which i doubt.

Yes, Hawks keep Saad for 2 more years because he's the only true 2 way forward we have, brings leadership to the table for the younger guys, and because he's hands down better then Kap and a middle 3rd rounder doesn't have a ton of value (15% of 3rd round picks actually ever play in the NHL) and Ceci has zero value. Saad for Kap and a B+ level prospect is a better deal and fair value.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 1:22 p.m.
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You're right because MTL is going be selling not buying more then likely.


I would say they end up staying pat, Bergevin has never really bought, so yeah.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 1:27 p.m.
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If we're going into a rebuild we want Colliton to coach because he is incompetent. Then fire him later when the team is on the upswing and there are better coaching options available.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 1:37 p.m.
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Well, you add de haan to the list of walking dead on this team. He is now confirmed for 4-5 months on the shelf.

Out of curiosity, did it occur to anyone that he was cheap because he was coming off shoulder surgery? I mean, that was a relatively low risk trade considering what we gave up, but clearly Carolina knew he wasn’t what they needed anymore. Especially with injury history factored in.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 4:14 p.m.
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More wrong from you. Hawks aren't cap strapped if you understood where they are at today and will be next year. Go look at the team next year, do a AGM yourself and you'll see why you're wrong there assuming you also understand the prospects the Hawks have which i doubt.

Yes, Hawks keep Saad for 2 more years because he's the only true 2 way forward we have, brings leadership to the table for the younger guys, and because he's hands down better then Kap and a middle 3rd rounder doesn't have a ton of value (15% of 3rd round picks actually ever play in the NHL) and Ceci has zero value. Saad for Kap and a B+ level prospect is a better deal and fair value.


Yeah not as cap strapped as I thought cause I forgot about the Debrincat extension but from what's left Strome will eat a good chunk of that up plus you need two goalies plus there's bonuses to consider, don't think that you have as much space as you think. I'm fully aware you could move some guys out for more cap space but that's a different discussion altogether.

Yes I'm fairly aware of the Hawks prospects, watched a Denver at UMD game recently and Ian Mitchell was far and away the best player on the ice, the Hawks need to get that kid signed the day after his college season ends!

So you'd rather hold on to a guy for "leadership"?
Are you thinking like Stan and wanna get the band back together for one last run? Maybe pull Sharp out of retirement and see if Oduya wants to sign for another shot at a cup? lol... Dude its time to move on from some of the core and Saad is a guy that has some value, you'd be crazy to not trade him for a younger winger with term and is under team control.
You'd really split hairs over the difference in value between a 3rd round pick and a B+ level prospect? Could likely draft that prospect with that 3rd, the Hawks scouting staff seems like one of the best in the league imo. I just doubt you'd get a much better return for Saad and realistically I doubt Dubas would make that trade but ya never know. Kapanen and Saad are on pretty much the same ppg pace this season.

Just thinking of the last two TDL's there were multiple defensemen traded for mid to late round picks, Morrow, Beaulieu, Del Zotto, Kislevich went for anywhere from 4th round to 7th round picks and those are just the ones I can think of, I'm sure if I did some research I could give you plenty more examples of depth dmen who were traded at the TDL.
So even though many on here thinks Ceci is garbage some team might throw you a late round pick for him, teams always want some depth dmen if they think they're going on a long run for the Cup.
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