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Initial Creation Date: Dec. 14, 2019
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If the Leafs are out of the playoff picture, I'd move Barrie and Muzzin.

How is the value in this trade?
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 3:16 p.m.
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Not even close to enough.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 3:22 p.m.
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I don't even know what to say. Or where to start. this is just bad. Did you post this with a straight face?
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 3:33 p.m.
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Not even close to enough.


Ok so what is the value of 2 UFA D man playing on non-playoff team?
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 3:34 p.m.
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I don't even know what to say. Or where to start. this is just bad. Did you post this with a straight face?


If Muzzin and Barrie continue to struggle all year, what is their value?
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 3:44 p.m.
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If Muzzin and Barrie continue to struggle all year, what is their value?


I don't know what would be their value but I do know Winning has one of the smartest GMs in the league.

I suppose people don't read the description area of ACGMs.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 4:08 p.m.
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IMO a fair trade. Jets could keep Beaulieu for depth purposes.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 4:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Trickster


Quoting: Trickster


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I guess the server went down and is now acting up so not sure if this will work but...

Barrie's value is probably a 1st and a good prospect and Muzzin is worth a 1st and ok - decent prospect but if we retain 50% then a 1st and a decent - good prospect IMO.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 4:32 p.m.
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If TML is out ( or they will for sure be after first Round again with currently built D ) my list goes :

1) Barrie ( can be swaped for some defensive D with team with surplus of those )
2) Ceci ( in pack with some of better names from this list )
3) Kerfoot ( 3rd line C can be like 1,5M Eriksson-Ek for 25 Points per Season )
4) Hyman ( you can land something good still this year cause next year as a rental he'll land less,, will walk away or demand 4M+ that TML dont have )
5) Timashov
6) and the last that will piss 95% of fan base again......Dermott ( Sandin & Liljegren coming for 3rd Pair with hopefully Holl as scratch if he wont demand more then 2 x 1,2M )
Dec. 14, 2019 at 8:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
I guess the server went down and is now acting up so not sure if this will work but...

Barrie's value is probably a 1st and a good prospect and Muzzin is worth a 1st and ok - decent prospect but if we retain 50% then a 1st and a decent - good prospect IMO.


I dont agree with those values if Barrie and Muzzin struggle.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 8:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Laudan
If TML is out ( or they will for sure be after first Round again with currently built D ) my list goes :

1) Barrie ( can be swaped for some defensive D with team with surplus of those )
2) Ceci ( in pack with some of better names from this list )
3) Kerfoot ( 3rd line C can be like 1,5M Eriksson-Ek for 25 Points per Season )
4) Hyman ( you can land something good still this year cause next year as a rental he'll land less,, will walk away or demand 4M+ that TML dont have )
5) Timashov
6) and the last that will piss 95% of fan base again......Dermott ( Sandin & Liljegren coming for 3rd Pair with hopefully Holl as scratch if he wont demand more then 2 x 1,2M )


I think you missed the part where I singled out Barrie and Muzzin struggling.

I do not see the value of trading Kerfoot.

Hyman, maybe... I feel we need him but moving him may become necessary.

Timashov, sure... jus a 4th liner.

Dont agree regarding Dermott.
He will either become Riley's partner OR 2nd pair LD.
Best part is, he capable of playing on his offside so moving is just silly.

Right now, I dont see Barrie or Muzzin returning with the Leafs.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 8:36 p.m.
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Hey @Sign_em_up000000

Need your help... I want make a team with Nurse or Zadorov are Leafscin 2020-21.

Thoughts?
Dec. 14, 2019 at 8:42 p.m.
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Hey @Sign_em_up000000

Need your help... I want make a team with Nurse or Zadorov are Leafscin 2020-21.

Thoughts?


You want either Nurse or Zadorov? I'd take Nurse all day but he's from my hometown so I'm biased.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 8:44 p.m.
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I dont agree with those values if Barrie and Muzzin struggle.


All good that was my opinion. I think the Blues would give up their 1st to upgrade Bowmeester to Muzzin and I think a west playoff team would give up a first and a good prospect for Barrie at $2.75 as they would have a better scouting report on him. I think this year is the outlier for him.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 8:48 p.m.
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All good that was my opinion. I think the Blues would give up their 1st to upgrade Bowmeester to Muzzin and I think a west playoff team would give up a first and a good prospect for Barrie at $2.75 as they would have a better scouting report on him. I think this year is the outlier for him.


Like the Jets? Lol cool
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 8:54 p.m.
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Like the Jets? Lol cool


Yeah, they would pay handsomely for him.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 9:01 p.m.
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I think you missed the part where I singled out Barrie and Muzzin struggling.

I do not see the value of trading Kerfoot.

Hyman, maybe... I feel we need him but moving him may become necessary.

Timashov, sure... jus a 4th liner.

Dont agree regarding Dermott.
He will either become Riley's partner OR 2nd pair LD.
Best part is, he capable of playing on his offside so moving is just silly.

Right now, I dont see Barrie or Muzzin returning with the Leafs.


Barrie is what he always was, wing playing D ( with huge negative +/-) that massivelly benefited from being on 1st PP in COL. So ppl are "giving" him big bucks after this year cause of points, that arent really a measurement for a D man to be a quality one

Muzzin looks slow and tired cause hes only one playing defence beyond average for last 33 Games.....so you can say hes already on pace of 50 games played. He would proly look pretty much rested if paired with another guy that is above average in his own end. He made Zaitsev look good again last year and Holl didnt just drink few Red Bulls this year and panned out like a D prodigy all at the sudden

Kerfoot - as i said, for 25 Points 3C you can have Kempe for 2M or Eriksson-Ek at 1,5M so thats where his "value" about being traded

Dermott - as i said yesterday in our convo in my thread where im shiping him out to land someone like Manson. Unfortunatelly hes not the material for Top 4 D that will bring the Parade into town.....
Dec. 14, 2019 at 9:04 p.m.
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Yeah, they would pay handsomely for him.


Look at my trade now.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 9:09 p.m.
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Look at my trade now.


I don't know enough about Niku but if he is like a Dermott than I don't think they trade him for two rentals. Plus we could get more value for them separately IMO...but it's all depending on how good Niku is. Let's ask @MisstheWhalers for his take.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 9:23 p.m.
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You want either Nurse or Zadorov? I'd take Nurse all day but he's from my hometown so I'm biased.


Thoughts on their value?
I like the big mobile D.
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 9:29 p.m.
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Thoughts on their value?
I like the big mobile D.


Honestly, I like Nurse but his value gets overblown on here....hes a solid 2nd pair d but a package built around Kapanen should suffice. Maybe Kapanen, Bracco and a 2nd? But it's all depending on when the trade occurs at the TDL we could offer Barrie as part of a bigger deal which leads me to my next point do you just want Nurse or are you targeting other oilers too?
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Dec. 14, 2019 at 9:42 p.m.
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Honestly, I like Nurse but his value gets overblown on here....hes a solid 2nd pair d but a package built around Kapanen should suffice. Maybe Kapanen, Bracco and a 2nd? But it's all depending on when the trade occurs at the TDL we could offer Barrie as part of a bigger deal which leads me to my next point do you just want Nurse or are you targeting other oilers too?


Zadorov same?
Dec. 14, 2019 at 9:52 p.m.
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Zadorov same?


Probably not because Edmonton needs wingers and Colorado wants one winger and likely gets him. I'm not sure how motivated they would be to move Z unless they could flip our return to acquire Hall as I think he's their main target and they'd probably rather keep Z for their run to the cup instead of what we would offer them. That said it makes a difference if we're talking about an off-season trade, or to put it another way, it would be easier to pry Nurse from the oil especially during the season because they need more help so I think we lineup better as trade partners. But that's just my opinion.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 9:55 p.m.
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Probably not because Edmonton needs wingers and Colorado wants one winger and likely gets him. I'm not sure how motivated they would be to move Z unless they could flip our return to acquire Hall as I think he's their main target and they'd probably rather keep Z for their run to the cup instead of what we would offer them. That said it makes a difference if we're talking about an off-season trade, or to put it another way, it would be easier to pry Nurse from the oil especially during the season because they need more help so I think we lineup better as trade partners. But that's just my opinion.


Definitely offseason move.
Dec. 14, 2019 at 10:02 p.m.
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Definitely offseason move.


Then it depends on what their priorities are... I think Hall will be their top priority but it's depending on what their plans b, c, d, e and f are. Looking at their roster their biggest need is a platoon goalie IMO...they look good on the back end and upfront which is why I think it would be harder to deal with them.
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