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Final thoughts on the Hall trade

Created by: Dan10900
Team: 2019-20 Arizona Coyotes
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 16, 2019
Published: Dec. 16, 2019
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To people who think ARZ lost: why... Hall is an elite winger (I'll get back to that) and they didn't have to give up any elite players/specs in return, that right there is a W... Plus they really only gave up two-three assets of note, Bahl is pretty good, should be a decent top 4 LHD man, and the first is in one of the best draft classes in recent memory, but likely doesn't become an elite talent... And yes... Hall is an elite talent, he had his MVP year, and was on pace to be close to that last year, and yes he hasn't been good this year, but for the most part his underlying stats suggest that the past two years are the norm, not this year, and if he continues to struggle points wise, he signs a cheaper extension!
To people who think NJD got fleeced... You got a future shut down top 4 d man at a position of relative weakness, a first in one of the best drafts in recent memory, and ideally another first, so you could get three top 6/4 players for 1, and you attend really lacking star power, Hischer is very underrated, Hughes is good, and hopefully you'll get a high end d man with your pick this draft, and maybe a goalie in the later rounds...
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Dec. 16, 2019 at 6:07 p.m.
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Just remember, the Devils got all that for Adam Larsson. That makes it an instant W
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Dec. 16, 2019 at 6:12 p.m.
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I, as a Devils fan, like the trade. I think it works for both sides. Yes Devils are gambling a bit on the future, but I think it is a much better return for a rental than anyone was expecting.
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Dec. 16, 2019 at 6:13 p.m.
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I, as a Devils fan, like the trade. I think it works for both sides. Yes Devils are gambling a bit on the future, but I think it is a much better return for a rental than anyone was expecting.


Yeah, and I'm quite happy with it from ARZ's perspective, we kept Soderstrom, and still got an elite player
Dec. 16, 2019 at 6:13 p.m.
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Arizona looking for hype and credibility also, so i would put that as part of the win, and also the pacific up for grabs, and not a bad window to go for it in, with bad la teams, and mediocre Alberta teams, could be a good time to lay claim to 1 of 3 pacific playoff spots, with the central probably taking both wildcards. This team now has a ridiculous amount of speed, and could use a little bit of tougher guys to play against, and they could be quite a playoff surprise
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Dec. 16, 2019 at 6:19 p.m.
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Merkley and Schnarr do nothing at all / did for Arizona, they’re not even in the top 10 of their prospects. Bahl will probably be a good player if it is properly developed, but again it would not be in Arizona's top 4 in the future due to OEL and Chychrun, they also have decent LD prospects, picks is a wild card, most likely it will be late first 2020 years, and about 2021 it’s too early to speak because of the conditions of this choice. I think this is a good deal for both teams that are now solving different problems.
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Dec. 16, 2019 at 6:23 p.m.
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Devils are total winners here!
Hall is likely a rental, Jersey will like their return.
Dec. 16, 2019 at 6:27 p.m.
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This is a smart move for both teams, Hall gives the yotes another weapon and they are poised to make noise this playoffs. Yotes have been building to a move like this for a few seasons. They are in a great spot in their division.
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Dec. 16, 2019 at 6:31 p.m.
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Yeah, and I'm quite happy with it from ARZ's perspective, we kept Soderstrom, and still got an elite player



... for, let's be honest, six months.
Dec. 16, 2019 at 7:07 p.m.
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... for, let's be honest, six months.


Quoting: BootBoi
Devils are total winners here!
Hall is likely a rental, Jersey will like their return.


I think Hall just wants to be on a competitive team lol, the new owner of the yotes isn't afraid to spend money, it's not completely unlikely he signs an extension imo
Dec. 16, 2019 at 7:10 p.m.
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gonna be a trade everyone reanalyzes in like 3 years. new jersey is banking on these five guys panning out, and if at least two become regular players for them i think they come out even.
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Dec. 16, 2019 at 7:14 p.m.
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I think Hall just wants to be on a competitive team lol, the new owner of the yotes isn't afraid to spend money, it's not completely unlikely he signs an extension imo



With what cap space?
Dec. 16, 2019 at 7:15 p.m.
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With what cap space?


Move Goli and one-two if Stepan Grabner and Demers... Boom 11ish mil right there
Dec. 16, 2019 at 7:29 p.m.
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Insane that you got to retain on Hall... what number do you think he'll wear
Dec. 16, 2019 at 7:37 p.m.
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Insane that you got to retain on Hall... what number do you think he'll wear


ARZ official Twitter already tweeted saying he'll West 91, and retention for 1 yr really doesn't mean much for a rebuilding NJD team who has tons of cap space
Dec. 16, 2019 at 7:39 p.m.
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Move Goli and one-two if Stepan Grabner and Demers... Boom 11ish mil right there



Umm okay, then you have to also pay to replace those players, plus you have a few key expiring guys that will require raises.
Dec. 16, 2019 at 7:45 p.m.
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Umm okay, then you have to also pay to replace those players, plus you have a few key expiring guys that will require raises.


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1543089 i mean I did it here, i don't think it's really all that impossible...
Dec. 16, 2019 at 10:37 p.m.
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https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1543089 i mean I did it here, i don't think it's really all that impossible...



Heh. But did you? Not sure "Generic depth forward" counts.
Dec. 17, 2019 at 6:03 a.m.
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Heh. But did you? Not sure "Generic depth forward" counts.


I was too lazy go out and sign a Derek Grant type lol, the 1 mil still counts against the cap, and it's not that hard to find some 4th liners/13th forwards for around league min...
Dec. 17, 2019 at 6:43 a.m.
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I was too lazy go out and sign a Derek Grant type lol, the 1 mil still counts against the cap, and it's not that hard to find some 4th liners/13th forwards for around league min...


Sure, but it's hard to find good ones that won't drag your team down.
 
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