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How leafs can make it past round one

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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 18, 2019
Published: Dec. 18, 2019
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This is from non leaf fan. Making honest trades. Not trading scrap players for Dumba, tarry, weber or ect.
Trades
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TOR
  1. Vatanen, Sami ($2,400,000 retained)
NJD
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Engvall, Pierre
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
  4. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
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EDM
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Kapanen, Kasperi
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
  4. 2020 6th round pick (COL)
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Kappy needs to play top 6 on right side. He cant do that on leafs team.
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2020
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2022
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Dec. 18, 2019 at 10:57 a.m.
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That’s a very hard offer to turn down for Edmonton I’m just not sure if they would part with Kassian. Maybe Khaira? And maybe a 4th instead of a 3rd and 6th.
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I’d worry more about getting to round one than winning it right now.

Devils definitely decline.
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Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:02 a.m.
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I’d worry more about getting to round one than winning it right now.

Devils definitely decline.


Agreed. Can’t see the leafs wanting to make any of these deals either.
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Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:04 a.m.
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Agreed. Can’t see the leafs wanting to make any of these deals either.


Leafs get FLEECED by Edmonton
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Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:05 a.m.
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Leafs get FLEECED by Edmonton


Can’t see them wanting to move engvall either. Johnsson can be moved for a much better Dman. Don’t think miller wants to move and leafs probably keep Timashov.
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Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:19 a.m.
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I’d worry more about getting to round one than winning it right now.

Devils definitely decline.


I think it is fair trade for vats. He is a UFA and they have the cap room to make it work. They also need NHL roster players to finish the season. Ceci can be guy to play and keep rookies in the AHL.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:23 a.m.
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Leafs get FLEECED by Edmonton


Larrson> Barrie. He also signed to one more year vs UFA. Plays 200 foot game which is what the leafs need. Barrie has been a bust for the leafs.

Kappanen> Kassain but kassian is player leafs could really use and better fir on bottom six then Kappy. Leafs have to many RWs.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:24 a.m.
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Can’t see them wanting to move engvall either. Johnsson can be moved for a much better Dman. Don’t think miller wants to move and leafs probably keep Timashov.


Leafs cant trade scraps for roster players and Leafs need Johnsson more then Kappy.
If miller has shot at cup he will accept a trade.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:35 a.m.
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Larrson> Barrie. He also signed to one more year vs UFA. Plays 200 foot game which is what the leafs need. Barrie has been a bust for the leafs.

Kappanen> Kassain but kassian is player leafs could really use and better fir on bottom six then Kappy. Leafs have to many RWs.



Larsson is most certainly not as good as Barrie. It’s not even close. Compare here. https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR

Kassian is a fluke and product of Mcdavid. Without 97 he’d be getting 15 points a year
Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:42 a.m.
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I think it is fair trade for vats. He is a UFA and they have the cap room to make it work. They also need NHL roster players to finish the season. Ceci can be guy to play and keep rookies in the AHL.


Coming up to the trade deadline, there’s a huge difference between what is fair, and what competitors will offer. Look at what hall just got. Roughly 4x what a fair deal is.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:56 a.m.
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Larsson is most certainly not as good as Barrie. It’s not even close. Compare here. https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR

Kassian is a fluke and product of Mcdavid. Without 97 he’d be getting 15 points a year


Yeah and kappy, johnsson, marner, Nylander and hyman are not product of matthews and Johnny T? Also, i moved him to 4th line and he brings diffewrent aspect of the game then any currnet leaf player brings.

Also, Larrson had injury which cause slow start. He also, plays mostly defensive role against top lines vs Barrie plays mostly on offensive zone starts aginst bottom 6 guys and PP. That might be a factor?
Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:57 a.m.
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Leafs cant trade scraps for roster players and Leafs need Johnsson more then Kappy.
If miller has shot at cup he will accept a trade.


Miller isn’t Moving. The monster you have made does not have a shot at the cup. We are taking back worse players than we are giving up and adding assets. No thanks.

Pretty happy with the team the way it is. See how hutch plays this weekend. Maybe a backup goalie.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:57 a.m.
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Coming up to the trade deadline, there’s a huge difference between what is fair, and what competitors will offer. Look at what hall just got. Roughly 4x what a fair deal is.


Hall was the first player traded after winning MVP in past 2 years. That might make him special player and more valuable?
Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:58 a.m.
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Yeah and kappy, johnsson, marner, Nylander and hyman are not product of matthews and Johnny T? Also, i moved him to 4th line and he brings diffewrent aspect of the game then any currnet leaf player brings.

Also, Larrson had injury which cause slow start. He also, plays mostly defensive role against top lines vs Barrie plays mostly on offensive zone starts aginst bottom 6 guys and PP. That might be a factor?

Actually... no they are not. Please watch them play. If you think kassian is as good as any of the players you mentioned you are out to lunch.
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Dec. 18, 2019 at 11:59 a.m.
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Miller isn’t Moving. The monster you have made does not have a shot at the cup. We are taking back worse players than we are giving up and adding assets. No thanks.

Pretty happy with the team the way it is. See how hutch plays this weekend. Maybe a backup goalie.


Yeah, i would be happy with team that isn't even in the playoffs right now.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 12:01 p.m.
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Yeah, i would be happy with team that isn't even in the playoffs right now.


Why not? Won 4 of the last 5 and are in and out of a playoff spot in a tight race. The team you made gets nothing but a lot of lottery tickets.

I mean if you want the team to get better shouldn’t you look for better players? Rather than giving up good players for bad ones?
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Dec. 18, 2019 at 12:04 p.m.
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Actually... no they are not. Please watch them play. If you think kassian is as good as any of the players you mentioned you are out to lunch.


Never said he is better. All i said is leaf fans seem to think their players are more valuable because of point totals they have but then dis credited other players because they play with elite centers.

Marner went from 60 point player to 90 point player with Johnny T. Meanwhile went from 84 to 88. Which is mostly because he has another elite center taking pressure off him. But somehow Marner is worth being paid top 2 winger in the league?
Dec. 18, 2019 at 12:13 p.m.
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Why not? Won 4 of the last 5 and are in and out of a playoff spot in a tight race. The team you made gets nothing but a lot of lottery tickets.

I mean if you want the team to get better shouldn’t you look for better players? Rather than giving up good players for bad ones?


Vats is better then ceci
Larrson is better for the leafs then Barrie is. Need defensive dman more then pp specialist.
Kappy is good but will not make leafs top six because nylander and marner are better.
the other players are really just depth forwards that are over achieving because they are on offensive powerhouse.

Also, if your backup would get you 50% point totals you would be 2nd in atlantic.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 12:18 p.m.
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That’s a very hard offer to turn down for Edmonton I’m just not sure if they would part with Kassian. Maybe Khaira? And maybe a 4th instead of a 3rd and 6th.


At this point, I doubt you'd say yes unless you are trading Larsson for a younger version of Hall. That Edmonton trade is an absolute joke. The best player in the trade is Barrie, the second best player is Kapanen. And TO adds, that is just complete garbage. I don't think I'd trade Kapanen for Larsson and Kassian.
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I’d worry more about getting to round one than winning it right now.

Devils definitely decline.


TO has been a different team under Keefe, making the playoffs won't be a problem (health permitting). Considering their record and play with Andersen in the net, they should be right up there with Boston if not for 1 point in the 8 games they've had their backup in the net. I don't think finishing 2nd or 3rd in the division is going to be a problem. They are just hands down a better team than they looked at the start of the year under Babs. I know most fans on here, don't like to pay attention to anything that disagrees with their opinion but for a guy who claims to be as impartial as you do, you are ignoring their 8-4 record and massively better play under Keefe.
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Dec. 18, 2019 at 12:23 p.m.
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Vats is better then ceci
Larrson is better for the leafs then Barrie is. Need defensive dman more then pp specialist.
Kappy is good but will not make leafs top six because nylander and marner are better.
the other players are really just depth forwards that are over achieving because they are on offensive powerhouse.

Also, if your backup would get you 50% point totals you would be 2nd in atlantic.


Yes.. engvall has that powerhouse kerfoot and Timashov has the Goat.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 12:30 p.m.
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Larrson> Barrie. He also signed to one more year vs UFA. Plays 200 foot game which is what the leafs need. Barrie has been a bust for the leafs.

Kappanen> Kassain but kassian is player leafs could really use and better fir on bottom six then Kappy. Leafs have to many RWs.


Larsson is better than less than half the defenceman in the NHL, he's a #4 defender on most teams. He's completely been destroyed when asked to be a top pair guy and at 27, he's exactly what he is and nothing more. What you are doing is the same thing so many people on here do, "What have you done for me lately" and that's all that matters. Which is laughable because since Keefe became coach in TO, Barrie has been terrific. Larsson on the other hand has been the same his whole career. Nothing special, and not terrible. He's a good depth defenceman, definitely overpaid as well but not but so much that he's not worth keeping around. Speaking of busts, what would you call Hall for Larsson? That is likely the biggest bust in the past 20 years as far as trades are concerned.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 12:30 p.m.
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At this point, I doubt you'd say yes unless you are trading Larsson for a younger version of Hall. That Edmonton trade is an absolute joke. The best player in the trade is Barrie, the second best player is Kapanen. And TO adds, that is just complete garbage. I don't think I'd trade Kapanen for Larsson and Kassian.


Yeah and you would be what people call delusional leaf fan.

Kappy is 40 point winger with speed. Is not worth larrson and not even close.

Barrie is a UFA and on pace for worse season sense rookie year. Also, his point totals have been worse with new coach. So value is all time low.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 12:33 p.m.
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Never said he is better. All i said is leaf fans seem to think their players are more valuable because of point totals they have but then dis credited other players because they play with elite centers.

Marner went from 60 point player to 90 point player with Johnny T. Meanwhile went from 84 to 88. Which is mostly because he has another elite center taking pressure off him. But somehow Marner is worth being paid top 2 winger in the league?


Marner spent the first half of his 2nd season going from the 3rd line, to the 4th line before being put on the top line with Kadri and Marleau where he ended his sophmore season scoring close to 50 points in 40 games (give or take). Also comparing Kassian to Marner is about as stupid as an arguement can get.
Dec. 18, 2019 at 12:43 p.m.
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Larrson> Barrie. He also signed to one more year vs UFA. Plays 200 foot game which is what the leafs need. Barrie has been a bust for the leafs.

Kappanen> Kassain but kassian is player leafs could really use and better fir on bottom six then Kappy. Leafs have to many RWs.


You have got to be kidding with the "Larrson>Barrie" comment. In what universe?
 
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