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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 19, 2019
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Dec. 19, 2019 at 10:29 p.m.
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is this a joke?
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Dec. 19, 2019 at 10:35 p.m.
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I agree, maybe add a piece from each side... like Alzner and Marner, but it’s close!! Good job!!
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Dec. 19, 2019 at 10:44 p.m.
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Quoting: yanp007
I agree, maybe add a piece from each side... like Alzner and Marner, but it’s close!! Good job!!


Quoting: sens65
is this a joke?


Of course it's a joke. Gauthier is the better player right now but kk is 20
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Dec. 19, 2019 at 10:44 p.m.
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Of course it's a joke. Gauthier is the better player right now but kk is 20


i hope your not serious
Dec. 19, 2019 at 10:49 p.m.
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Quoting: sens65
i hope your not serious


Have you looked at either of them at all? Gauthier has more points while playing way tougher minutes. Until they fired Babcock gauthier started around 95% of his shifts in the d zone while playing with shore and timashov. Kk plays easier minutes with way better linemates and is a negative value player.

For starters you should look up their isolated impacts and RAPM.
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Dec. 20, 2019 at 12:11 a.m.
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I’m sorry but put the pipe down
Dec. 20, 2019 at 2:08 a.m.
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Quoting: Jack_
Have you looked at either of them at all? Gauthier has more points while playing way tougher minutes. Until they fired Babcock gauthier started around 95% of his shifts in the d zone while playing with shore and timashov. Kk plays easier minutes with way better linemates and is a negative value player.

For starters you should look up their isolated impacts and RAPM.


Than why would you trade him if he is so much better?
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Dec. 20, 2019 at 3:41 a.m.
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Quoting: Jack_
Have you looked at either of them at all? Gauthier has more points while playing way tougher minutes. Until they fired Babcock gauthier started around 95% of his shifts in the d zone while playing with shore and timashov. Kk plays easier minutes with way better linemates and is a negative value player.

For starters you should look up their isolated impacts and RAPM.

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Than why would you trade him if he is so much better?



Staal has more points than Nylander. Lets trade them 1 for 1. That's an offer you can't refuse!
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Dec. 20, 2019 at 8:39 a.m.
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Quoting: Jack_
Have you looked at either of them at all? Gauthier has more points while playing way tougher minutes. Until they fired Babcock gauthier started around 95% of his shifts in the d zone while playing with shore and timashov. Kk plays easier minutes with way better linemates and is a negative value player.

For starters you should look up their isolated impacts and RAPM.


Over the years Hab fans on this site has made posts putting McCarron in NHL trades (for whatever reason). In the past three games, Gauthier has scored as many goals (two) as McCarron has scored in whole NHL career.
After a fast start last season, KK seems to lost his NHL way. For his sake and the Habs and their fans, may KK find his way back to the NHL and be a good NHLer.
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Dec. 20, 2019 at 9:47 a.m.
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Than why would you trade him if he is so much better?


It's a joke, kk is 20 and will obviously be better but right now the goat is better. If this was the last year of the NHL and the game of hockey would never be played again then I would make that trade but that isnt the case

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Over the years Hab fans on this site has made posts putting McCarron in NHL trades (for whatever reason). In the past three games, Gauthier has scored as many goals (two) as McCarron has scored in whole NHL career.
After a fast start last season, KK seems to lost his NHL way. For his sake and the Habs and their fans, may KK find his way back to the NHL and be a good NHLer.


He definitely will. I cant see a world where he should be picked 3rd overall but regardless he will become a good hockey player. Montreal is butchering his development at the moment but betting that he wont be a good nhl player is a stupid one
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Dec. 20, 2019 at 9:55 a.m.
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Staal has more points than Nylander. Lets trade them 1 for 1. That's an offer you can't refuse!


If we are basing things purely on points then sure. But nylander has had a better on ice impact then Staal has had so that would say that hes the better player. The goat has had a better on ice impact this season and I doubt anyone would say hes been worse then kotkaniemi (anyone that pays attention anyways)
Dec. 20, 2019 at 11:02 a.m.
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Gauthier could have 10 goals and still wouldn't be better than KK is right NOW. Stop with this silliness you are only trolling and you know it.
Dec. 20, 2019 at 11:58 a.m.
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Gauthier could have 10 goals and still wouldn't be better than KK is right NOW. Stop with this silliness you are only trolling and you know it.


Kk has been awful. If he wasnt the 3rd overall pick he wouldn't be in the nhl right now. Neither are very good but one is clearly better then the other. Montreal is one of the best 5v5 teams in the league.

Gauthier is listed at 0.364 GAR/60 and 0.063 WAR/60. Kotkaniemi is listed at a -0.602 GAR/60 and has a negative WAR/60 (-0.105). You are wrong when you say kk is a better player right now. He is worse then a replacement level player, gauthier is better
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Dec. 20, 2019 at 1:32 p.m.
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Kk has been awful. If he wasnt the 3rd overall pick he wouldn't be in the nhl right now. Neither are very good but one is clearly better then the other. Montreal is one of the best 5v5 teams in the league.

Gauthier is listed at 0.364 GAR/60 and 0.063 WAR/60. Kotkaniemi is listed at a -0.602 GAR/60 and has a negative WAR/60 (-0.105). You are wrong when you say kk is a better player right now. He is worse then a replacement level player, gauthier is better


You see what happens when you try to make an esoteric point about Patience, i.e., performance vs. potential? Half the world gets it, and half the world pees on your shoes.
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Dec. 20, 2019 at 1:49 p.m.
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Kk has been awful. If he wasnt the 3rd overall pick he wouldn't be in the nhl right now. Neither are very good but one is clearly better then the other. Montreal is one of the best 5v5 teams in the league.

Gauthier is listed at 0.364 GAR/60 and 0.063 WAR/60. Kotkaniemi is listed at a -0.602 GAR/60 and has a negative WAR/60 (-0.105). You are wrong when you say kk is a better player right now. He is worse then a replacement level player, gauthier is better


Blah blah blah says the leafs fan who doesn't watch Habs games. KK hasn't been very good this year granted but this idea that he's within 22 games become the worst player in the league narrative is just pain silly.

He's had a rough start to the year but its only 20 games and there is plenty of hockey left this year..... he'll be back in the new year and back to putting up points once the team is healthy again.
Dec. 20, 2019 at 5:56 p.m.
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If we are basing things purely on points then sure. But nylander has had a better on ice impact then Staal has had so that would say that hes the better player. The goat has had a better on ice impact this season and I doubt anyone would say hes been worse then kotkaniemi (anyone that pays attention anyways)


"Kk is sooo bad. Sooooo bad. Playing in the NHL at 19 years old. So bad. Less points then full grown men. Sooooo bad. Doesn't put up points on the board despite beeing injured. Very bad.

But trade it to us! Please!"

You're so obvious. Cant wait for the Leaves to hire you as their next GM.
Dec. 20, 2019 at 7:13 p.m.
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"Kk is sooo bad. Sooooo bad. Playing in the NHL at 19 years old. So bad. Less points then full grown men. Sooooo bad. Doesn't put up points on the board despite beeing injured. Very bad.

But trade it to us! Please!"

You're so obvious. Cant wait for the Leaves to hire you as their next GM.


Right now he is bad. Its pretty much guaranteed that he will get better and become a good player but Canadians fans are talking about him like hes a true number 1 center. The truth is that he shouldn't even be in the nhl
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Dec. 20, 2019 at 7:20 p.m.
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Blah blah blah says the leafs fan who doesn't watch Habs games. KK hasn't been very good this year granted but this idea that he's within 22 games become the worst player in the league narrative is just pain silly.

He's had a rough start to the year but its only 20 games and there is plenty of hockey left this year..... he'll be back in the new year and back to putting up points once the team is healthy again.


I never said he was the worst player in the league, I said he was below replacement level. From what I watched last season he wasnt that good either, he went on one pdo bender then came back down to earth. I've said multiple times that he will be a good player in the future but right now he isnt good at all
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Dec. 20, 2019 at 7:23 p.m.
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Blah blah blah says the leafs fan who doesn't watch Habs games. KK hasn't been very good this year granted but this idea that he's within 22 games become the worst player in the league narrative is just pain silly.

He's had a rough start to the year but its only 20 games and there is plenty of hockey left this year..... he'll be back in the new year and back to putting up points once the team is healthy again.


Quoting: jpsnow13
"Kk is sooo bad. Sooooo bad. Playing in the NHL at 19 years old. So bad. Less points then full grown men. Sooooo bad. Doesn't put up points on the board despite beeing injured. Very bad.

But trade it to us! Please!"

You're so obvious. Cant wait for the Leaves to hire you as their next GM.


I find it amusing that both of you have entirely missed the point of the OP -- which is that KK needs more development time, and meanwhile some Canadiens fans think he's a viable number one center right now. Both @Jack_ and I are saying don't destroy the kid's confidence by continuing to play him against Crosby and Bergeron and Aho and Barzal and Point and Eichel and expect him to succeed.
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Dec. 20, 2019 at 7:52 p.m.
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I find it amusing that both of you have entirely missed the point of the OP -- which is that KK needs more development time, and meanwhile some Canadiens fans think he's a viable number one center right now. Both @Jack_ and I are saying don't destroy the kid's confidence by continuing to play him against Crosby and Bergeron and Aho and Barzal and Point and Eichel and expect him to succeed.


Beeing traded for Gauthier would destroy anyone's confidence
Dec. 20, 2019 at 8:37 p.m.
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Beeing traded for Gauthier would destroy anyone's confidence


He's not serious. He's making a point.

Montreal did KK a disservice by treating him as the next Jean Beliveau. Give him some time. Has everyone forgotten that Max Domi had a terrible down spell after his initial impression, which is why he was traded from Arizona?
 
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