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Journalist podcast suggesting to get Lafreniere

Created by: ericdufour
Initial Creation Date: Dec 22, 2019
Published: Dec 22, 2019 at 8:44
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
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Would you do it

My point of view: It's overpaid by a lot, I understand, the draft is in MTL and that would create a tsunami, but take Cayden Primeau out and swap Suzuki for a different option I would think about it.
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lafreniere, Alexis3$925,000
caufield, cole3$925,000
Trades
MTL
  1. 2020 1st round pick (NJD)
1st overall
NJD
  1. Primeau, Cayden
  2. Suzuki, Nick
  3. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
  4. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
  5. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
2023 1st round pick
Alexander Romanov
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  • Steve Mason: $1,366,667
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  • Marco Scandella: $2,000,000 (50%)
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $350,000 (50%)
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  • Dale Weise: $1,275,000 ($2,350,000)
  • Keith Kinkaid: $675,000 ($1,750,000)
  • Matthew Peca: $225,000 ($1,300,000)
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MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
ANA
SJS
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
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25$81,500,000$75,452,142$0$3,482,500$6,047,858
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW
UFA - 4
MTL
Domi, Max
$3,150,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
caufield, cole
$925,000
Lafreniere, Alexis
$925,000
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
$2,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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MTL
Chiarot, Ben
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Mete, Victor
$748,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Lindgren, Charlie
$750,000
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$1,850,000
LD
UFA - 3
MTL
Fleury, Cale
$771,666
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
MTL
Thompson, Nate
$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Cousins, Nick
$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
MTL
Folin, Christian
$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
MTL
Reilly, Mike
$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 2
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Weal, Jordan
$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2

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Dec 22, 2019 at 8:56
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Billy739
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MTL passes and i think so does whomever has 1st

if you look at the history of teams who traded their top 5 picks an Established top 6 or top 4 player was always the cornerstone of the deal .
For a team to give up a #1 pick you'd need a Gallagher ,Tatar or Danault to even start conversations .

Most likely you'll have to land a top 3 pick by trading MTL 1st and a Suzuki or Petry to land a top 5 pick .
then you'll need to trade that top 5 along with a Danault , Gallagher or Tatar .

Either way i dont think Lefreniere's worth it just because he's french and #1 overall .
Sure its not as common anymore but that's because the talent isnt as deep in Quebec as it once was.
(to many Quebec native's settle outside their Province investing in other communities development at a rate unlike years past)
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Dec 22, 2019 at 9:19
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Suzuki + Romanov > Lafreniere
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Dec 22, 2019 at 9:50
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Dec 22, 2019 at 9:54
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Quoting: Billy739
MTL passes and i think so does whomever has 1st

if you look at the history of teams who traded their top 5 picks an Established top 6 or top 4 player was always the cornerstone of the deal .
For a team to give up a #1 pick you'd need a Gallagher ,Tatar or Danault to even start conversations .

Most likely you'll have to land a top 3 pick by trading MTL 1st and a Suzuki or Petry to land a top 5 pick .
then you'll need to trade that top 5 along with a Danault , Gallagher or Tatar .

Either way i dont think Lefreniere's worth it just because he's french and #1 overall .
Sure its not as common anymore but that's because the talent isnt as deep in Quebec as it once was.
(to many Quebec native's settle outside their Province investing in other communities development at a rate unlike years past)


Impressive and nice use of cultural demographics.
Dec 22, 2019 at 10:03
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Billy739
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Yeah but they think Lefreniere will be the most dominating Power Forward since Eric Lindros was Drafted
I Dont think as many people outside Quebec are sold on that seeing him as more of a Steven Stamkos in his style of play

Dont get me wrong that's still good but it isnt good enough to give up anything more then Danault , our 1st and a 2nd .
Thats still a high value but its within reason based on the realization that the last Canadian Junior star to jump from junior to the NHL to put up record numbers was Dale Hawerchuk putting up 180+ points his last year junior followed by 100+ points his first year in the NHL . Lefreniere is no Hawerchuk incase that's where you thought i was going with this , i was just trying to point out its almost 40 years ago since it happened last .
Dec 22, 2019 at 10:16
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Quoting: GMs
Suzuki + Romanov > Lafreniere


Oh my god the Habs bias is real
Dec 22, 2019 at 11:06
#7
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Quoting: Billy739
Yeah but they think Lefreniere will be the most dominating Power Forward since Eric Lindros was Drafted
I Dont think as many people outside Quebec are sold on that seeing him as more of a Steven Stamkos in his style of play

Dont get me wrong that's still good but it isnt good enough to give up anything more then Danault , our 1st and a 2nd .
Thats still a high value but its within reason based on the realization that the last Canadian Junior star to jump from junior to the NHL to put up record numbers was Dale Hawerchuk putting up 180+ points his last year junior followed by 100+ points his first year in the NHL . Lefreniere is no Hawerchuk incase that's where you thought i was going with this , i was just trying to point out its almost 40 years ago since it happened last .


I just think it's a valid option that the MTL GM should look at closer to the draft and depending who will have the 1st overall. Either way, I am ok with the way they are building up the team or to go for the show at the draft.

Again, it depend who get the 1st.
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Dec 22, 2019 at 11:14
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Quoting: mhockey91
Oh my god the Habs bias is real


1 st overall will cost a lot more since the draft is in MTL, every others GM know that MTL will need to overpay to get this one
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Dec 22, 2019 at 11:47
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Reminds of the trade proposal made by Garth Snow: all the Islanders' 2012 picks for the 2OA pick which would've given the Islanders a chance to draft "Franchise Dman Ryan Murray"

or another one proposed by a Devil fan from AGM

"AT LEAST Elias Pettersson, 2020 1st round pick (10 OA) for Jack Hughes"
Dec 23, 2019 at 12:02
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Quoting: mhockey91
Oh my god the Habs bias is real


well ur getting 2 elite players at 2 postions vs 1 potentially elite player. center plus defenseman. that really does equal out
Dec 23, 2019 at 12:03
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also, for all the hype around AL, byfield could also go 1st overall. he's 6'4 and a right shot center. thats very intriguing ya know
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Dec 23, 2019 at 12:11
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I'm confused -- wasn't your 2019 first-round pick Cole Caufield?
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Dec 23, 2019 at 12:14
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
well ur getting 2 elite players at 2 postions vs 1 potentially elite player. center plus defenseman. that really does equal out


Name the elite players Montreal is giving up lmao. Suzuki and Romanov are NO WHERE near Lafreniere level. Not even in the same conversation
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Dec 23, 2019 at 12:19
#14
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Quoting: mhockey91
Name the elite players Montreal is giving up lmao. Suzuki and Romanov are NO WHERE near Lafreniere level. Not even in the same conversation


Yup, Lafreniere is the best winger prospect since Patrick Kane in ‘07 and is going to be in the conversation for the Hart and Art Ross for a long time. Suzuki and Romanov are pretty good prospects, but they’re not coming close to Lafreniere.
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Dec 23, 2019 at 12:40
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I'm confused -- wasn't your 2019 first-round pick Cole Caufield?


yep, i ****ed up smile will change it
Dec 23, 2019 at 9:04
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No one player is worth that package outside of guys like McDavid. Would be a bad move for the Habs.

Even if Lafreniere ends up being a star player, good teams don't have one superstar player, they have multiple good ones (and a superstar if they're lucky). Suzuki is looking like a stud, Primeau is looking like a stud, Romanov is looking like a stud, those 1sts could be studs, that is simply too much to pay for one guy who is a winger at the end of the day... the least valuable position in hockey and the easiest position to get better at with free agency/trades/drafting, etc

Let's be honest, if his name was Alex Lafferty, we wouldn't even be having this conversation and that's why french politics needs to stay out of the Habs plans. It only clouds their judgement.
Dec 23, 2019 at 12:41
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Quoting: mhockey91
Name the elite players Montreal is giving up lmao. Suzuki and Romanov are NO WHERE near Lafreniere level. Not even in the same conversation


of course they arent. but say Al is a 90 point winger. well romanov is projected as a top pairing D man, and Suzuki is gonna be at least a 70 point center. that balances it out. would u rather have 2 elite players at 2 key positions or 1 really really elite winger?
Dec 23, 2019 at 12:41
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Quoting: Spleenmaster1002
Yup, Lafreniere is the best winger prospect since Patrick Kane in ‘07 and is going to be in the conversation for the Hart and Art Ross for a long time. Suzuki and Romanov are pretty good prospects, but they’re not coming close to Lafreniere.


for all the talk around him, as ive stated before, he might not even go first overall
Dec 23, 2019 at 1:34
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
of course they arent. but say Al is a 90 point winger. well romanov is projected as a top pairing D man, and Suzuki is gonna be at least a 70 point center. that balances it out. would u rather have 2 elite players at 2 key positions or 1 really really elite winger?


Lafreiniere is much more likely to be a 90+ point wing than Suzuki a 70 point centre or Romanov a top pairing D. Lafreinere is so dynamic. He’s gonna be in the Art Ross contention for majority of his career. I’m sorry but whoever gets 1st overall will hold onto lafreiniere at all costs. That pick is untouchable.
Dec 23, 2019 at 1:46
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Quoting: mhockey91
Lafreiniere is much more likely to be a 90+ point wing than Suzuki a 70 point centre or Romanov a top pairing D. Lafreinere is so dynamic. He’s gonna be in the Art Ross contention for majority of his career. I’m sorry but whoever gets 1st overall will hold onto lafreiniere at all costs. That pick is untouchable.


no bud. you're hyping him up too much. listen to any podcast or read about prospect rankings. there is a legit chance that byfield could go first overall. centers are in demand.
Dec 23, 2019 at 6:48
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
no bud. you're hyping him up too much. listen to any podcast or read about prospect rankings. there is a legit chance that byfield could go first overall. centers are in demand.


They always do that. It’s all for clicks. Byfield is great but lafreiniere is another level. He’s guaranteed first overall and will be an Art Ross calibre playing
Dec 23, 2019 at 10:06
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This could be a home run for many team IF Lafreniere development is on the same path as others similar players. Can he take it and become that player ? What ever your opinion is Lafreniere or Byfield, they are projected to be good. Yeah, we could also see a nail yakupov 2.0

In that package, value need to be offered for that type of player. Suzuki is going good right now, but if he cool down and someone else (young player) is better, the other team will ask for that player. Primeau is the player that make it or break it for me, I think MTL should keep that player to replace Price, he is growing in value since his selection. Romanov is projected to be a good player.

Defense will be the major area to be work on if something like that happen, UFA ? KK could end up with Lafreniere and Caufield , or place any center that can skate with two winger. 2021 MTL UFA will be a difficult off season (Gallagher, Tatar, Danault, Petry, Armia)

If Lafreniere potential end up lower than expected, then it could mean a lost decade ahead. If he fulfill the expectation then MTL has a real weapon for every game night.

1st round pick by MTL, since 2000. Based on past history, I would go for it and trade 4 x 1st. Carey Price changed the franchise (All time win and game played for MTL franchise), why not starting the next decade with a new franchise player
Cole Caufield (has not played yet in the NHL)
Jesperi Kotkaniemi (developing)
Ryan Poehling (developing)
Mikhail Sergachev
Noah Juulsen
Nikita Scherbak
Michael McCarron
Alex Galchenyuk
Nathan Beaulieu
Jarred Tinordi
Louis Leblanc
Ryan McDonagh
Max Pacioretty
David Fischer
Carey Price
Kyle Chipchura
Andrei Kostitsyn
Chris Higgins
Mike Komisarek
Ron Hainsey
Marcel Hossa
Dec 23, 2019 at 11:43
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Quoting: mhockey91
They always do that. It’s all for clicks. Byfield is great but lafreiniere is another level. He’s guaranteed first overall and will be an Art Ross calibre playing


maybe. but its not set in stone that AL is going 1st overall. centers are in demand. and say its a team like detroit that goes 1st overall, i can yzerman going after the center
Dec 24, 2019 at 2:17
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
maybe. but its not set in stone that AL is going 1st overall. centers are in demand. and say its a team like detroit that goes 1st overall, i can yzerman going after the center


Can Byfield/Lafreniere be compare to previous years draft No 1-2 where a center and winger are in the race for No.1? Most of time, you are right, the center are more in demand as they can can be place on the wings.

Ovy / Malkin / Hall Seguin / Mathew Laine / Hughes Kakko

Either way, it seem to be a very good draft year and most likely, No. 1 and 2 will have a ceiling of superstar player
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Dec 24, 2019 at 1:14
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
maybe. but its not set in stone that AL is going 1st overall. centers are in demand. and say its a team like detroit that goes 1st overall, i can yzerman going after the center


I disagree with that statement. I think Detroit is an example where a winger would fill a better role in their top 6. Say all their prospects develop into good NHLers (which is obviously unrealistic but let’s use this scenario in a vacuum)

A top 6 with lafreiniere could look like:

Lafreiniere-Larkin-Mantha
Bertuzzi-Velano-Zadina

A Larkin/Velano ½ punch could be extremely strong. Larkin should be an 80 point centre in his prime, and I could see Velano as a 60-70 point great 2C. Obviously byfield is leaps and bounds better than both those centres, but I think Lafreiniere would slide in very nicely on that #1LW position. If they went byfield I think Velano would probably be put at wing.

Velano-Byfield-Mantha
Bertuzzi-Larkin-Zadina

If Velano hits his potential I can’t see him as a 3rd line centre. He’s gotta play in the top 6. Both scenarios are obviously very favourable lol but at #1OA Detroit would take Lafreiniere. If Detroit is 2nd Overall they are still VERY excited with Byfield
 
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