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Toronto fans

Created by: Rsamuelson
Initial Creation Date: Dec 22, 2019
Published: Dec 22, 2019 at 8:59 pm
Team: 2019-20 Vancouver Canucks
Team Explanation
Just checking some values, don’t blow me up

Let me know if these seem close to even
Trades
VAN
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
TOR
  1. Stecher, Troy ($1,150,000 retained)
  2. Pearson, Tanner
VAN
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Ceci, Cody
  3. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
TOR
  1. Tanev, Christopher
Buyouts
  • Ryan Spooner: $1,033,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Troy Stecher: $1,150,000 (49.46%)
Recapture Fees
  • Roberto Luongo: $3,033,206
Buried
  • Sven Baertschi: $2,291,666 ($3,366,666)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
VAN
VAN
VAN
VGK
VAN
VAN
ANA
2021
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
2022
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$77,970,706$0$4,762,500$3,529,294
Left WingCenterRight Wing
VAN
Miller, J.T.
$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 4
VAN
Pettersson, Elias
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
VAN
Boeser, Brock
$5,875,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
VAN
Horvat, Bo
$5,500,000
C
UFA - 4
VAN
Leivo, Josh
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
VAN
Roussel, Antoine
$3,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
VAN
Gaudette, Adam
$916,667
C
RFA - 1
VAN
Virtanen, Jake
$1,250,000
RW
RFA - 1
VAN
Schaller, Tim
$1,900,000
LW
UFA - 1
VAN
Beagle, Jay
$3,000,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
VAN
Motte, Tyler
$975,000
RW, LW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
VAN
Edler, Alexander
$6,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
VAN
Myers, Tyler
$6,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
VAN
Markström, Jacob
$3,666,667
G
UFA - 1
VAN
Hughes, Quintin
$916,667
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
VAN
Demko, Thatcher
$1,050,000
G
RFA - 2
VAN
Fantenberg, Oscar
$850,000
LD
UFA - 1
VAN
Benn, Jordie
$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
VAN
Chatfield, Jalen
$765,000
RD
RFA - 1
VAN
Sutter, Brandon
$4,375,000
RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
VAN
Ferland, Micheal
$3,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
VAN
MacEwen, Zack
$847,500
C, RW
RFA - 1
VAN
Eriksson, Loui
$6,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3

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Dec 22, 2019 at 9:07
#1
The evil stats guy
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Not really.
Leafs say no easily to both.
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Dec 22, 2019 at 9:17
#2
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Quoting: Random2152
Not really.
Leafs say no easily to both.


Ok fair! If you don’t mind, what kind of return would you offer for guys like Tanev, Stetcher or Pearson?
Dec 22, 2019 at 9:21
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Ceci is younger, plays a similar role as Tanev though during full seasons. Both are UFAs with a similar AAV. I know you may have heard a lot of nonsense from some fans, but in the real world, the Leafs wouldn't add a top prospect and a pick here. It's at best a one-for-one type of trade, and I don't see why the Leafs would do that trade even then. I like Ceci's contribution to the team's success so far.

As for the other trade, I don't see who would get out of our blue line to let Stecher in. I can't see Holl being moved out of the lineup at this point. Ceci's our no 1 pk guy. Dermott is doing really well. And we can't let Stecher in the AHL either. If one of our Ds is scratched, it would have to be for a major upgrade. It's the type of trade that could happen off season instead.
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Dec 22, 2019 at 9:32
#4
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Quoting: Rsamuelson
Ok fair! If you don’t mind, what kind of return would you offer for guys like Tanev, Stetcher or Pearson?


Not a ton. I'd give a 3rd and a low end prospect for tanev with ret.

I wouldn't touch Pearson

I actually like Stecher, but he hasn't proved anything to this point. I'd give a 2nd and a half decent prospect for him (think a grundstrom type)
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Dec 22, 2019 at 9:44
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Quoting: Random2152
Not a ton. I'd give a 3rd and a low end prospect for tanev with ret.

I wouldn't touch Pearson

I actually like Stecher, but he hasn't proved anything to this point. I'd give a 2nd and a half decent prospect for him (think a grundstrom type)


Ok I can understand that! And Johnsson would be valued at quite a bit higher than Stetcher in your eyes?
Dec 22, 2019 at 9:45
#6
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Leafs might like Stecher somewhat, but Leafs don't want Pearson's cap hit any more that the Canucks do.
No one is giving that for Tanev. Actually right now Ceci for Tanner might be pretty even trade. Canucks probably need both Stecher and Tanev to try to make the playoffs.
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Dec 22, 2019 at 9:47
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Quoting: leaflet
Ceci is younger, plays a similar role as Tanev though during full seasons. Both are UFAs with a similar AAV. I know you may have heard a lot of nonsense from some fans, but in the real world, the Leafs wouldn't add a top prospect and a pick here. It's at best a one-for-one type of trade, and I don't see why the Leafs would do that trade even then. I like Ceci's contribution to the team's success so far.

As for the other trade, I don't see who would get out of our blue line to let Stecher in. I can't see Holl being moved out of the lineup at this point. Ceci's our no 1 pk guy. Dermott is doing really well. And we can't let Stecher in the AHL either. If one of our Ds is scratched, it would have to be for a major upgrade. It's the type of trade that could happen off season instead.


Fair enough, I can understand your points! So in your eyes you don’t think the leafs have an issue on the right side of their defence?
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Dec 22, 2019 at 9:56
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Quoting: Rsamuelson
Ok I can understand that! And Johnsson would be valued at quite a bit higher than Stetcher in your eyes?


Oh ya
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Dec 22, 2019 at 9:57
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Quoting: palhal
Leafs might like Stecher somewhat, but Leafs don't want Pearson's cap hit any more that the Canucks do.
No one is giving that for Tanev. Actually right now Ceci for Tanner might be pretty even trade. Canucks probably need both Stecher and Tanev to try to make the playoffs.


Fair! And what would you be willing to give up for Stetcher?
Dec 22, 2019 at 10:09
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Quoting: Rsamuelson
Fair enough, I can understand your points! So in your eyes you don’t think the leafs have an issue on the right side of their defence?


Things could always be better, but so far the right side is doing well, especially since Keefe took over. The two main issues were Barrie being cold and letting everything in, and uncertainty about Holl.

As of now, though:
1. Barrie is again the player he used to be. He finally got into the team's chemistry, and we couldn't find a better bargain.
2. Holl has become a fan favourite, and he could turn out to be the inspiring type of story of the late bloomer taking his place in the NHL. He's doing well, both defensively and offensively, and keeps improving every game. If anything, he's the one who could still be replaced by someone with more experience, but that would be heartbreaking in a sense. I'd like to see him remain and for his story end well. I couldn't see him being replaced with Stecher, for instance.
3. Ceci has to cope with some fans' distorted views and disparaging comments, but I like his play a lot without the puck. In a nutshell, he rarely lets goals in when on the ice, and that's what I want. His pairing with Dermott hasn't allowed a goal at 5v5 for many games now. He may be overpriced at 4.5M given that he doesn't produce offensively, but other than that, he's hasn't done much wrong, and his game with the puck keeps improving under Keefe. If he leaves, the player stepping in has to be able to play the same role on the PK, and defensively.

To me, the real problem with the RHD will be next year, when all three players leave as UFA!
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Dec 22, 2019 at 10:12
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Quoting: Rsamuelson
Fair! And what would you be willing to give up for Stetcher?


I may in the minority of Leaf fans but I certainly would trade Johnsson for Stetcher. (Leafs might have to add). I like Johnsson but the Leafs have good wingers to take his place. Stecher might only be a part time player right now for the Leafs, but injuries happen and he will be his minutes at some time. Next year the Leafs would need Stretcher.
Dec 22, 2019 at 11:26
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Toronto would just use Liljegren rather than trade him for a guy like Stetcher or Tanev (or both). I wouldn't mind picking him up but I think that would be more of an off-season deal as right now Ceci would have to go back to make things work in terms of cap and number of RHD. That or Vancouver would have to retain 50% on both Stetcher and Pearson in that first trade haha.
Dec 23, 2019 at 8:02
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Quoting: leaflet
Things could always be better, but so far the right side is doing well, especially since Keefe took over. The two main issues were Barrie being cold and letting everything in, and uncertainty about Holl.

As of now, though:
1. Barrie is again the player he used to be. He finally got into the team's chemistry, and we couldn't find a better bargain.
2. Holl has become a fan favourite, and he could turn out to be the inspiring type of story of the late bloomer taking his place in the NHL. He's doing well, both defensively and offensively, and keeps improving every game. If anything, he's the one who could still be replaced by someone with more experience, but that would be heartbreaking in a sense. I'd like to see him remain and for his story end well. I couldn't see him being replaced with Stecher, for instance.
3. Ceci has to cope with some fans' distorted views and disparaging comments, but I like his play a lot without the puck. In a nutshell, he rarely lets goals in when on the ice, and that's what I want. His pairing with Dermott hasn't allowed a goal at 5v5 for many games now. He may be overpriced at 4.5M given that he doesn't produce offensively, but other than that, he's hasn't done much wrong, and his game with the puck keeps improving under Keefe. If he leaves, the player stepping in has to be able to play the same role on the PK, and defensively.

To me, the real problem with the RHD will be next year, when all three players leave as UFA!


Ceci is without a doubt the weak link on the blue line. He isn't very good with the puck and he's not very good without it often. Stecher or Tanev would be an upgrade over him.

That being said, moving Ceci only makes sense if you get a replacement for a fair price. Liljegren could possibly get a shot over him if they don't go elsewhere.
 
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