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Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 29, 2019
Published: Dec. 29, 2019
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Dec. 29, 2019 at 9:15 p.m.
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Easy no from NY. Take out Bjugs, no interest and don’t want cap hit. Add a pair of good prospects...maybe.
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Dec. 29, 2019 at 9:45 p.m.
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@Gofnut999 is right ..easy no from the Rangers. like not even close.
Dec. 29, 2019 at 9:51 p.m.
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That’s an easy no from Pittsburgh too. It’s gonna cost too much to trade with NY. Anderson has like no value since he requested a trade, and no way the pens give up a first for a rental. If they were going to, they’d have done it for Taylor Hall. And as for NY. As was already said, they wouldn’t want jugs. They’d want prospects/picks
Dec. 29, 2019 at 10:21 p.m.
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That’s an easy no from Pittsburgh too. It’s gonna cost too much to trade with NY. Anderson has like no value since he requested a trade, and no way the pens give up a first for a rental. If they were going to, they’d have done it for Taylor Hall. And as for NY. As was already said, they wouldn’t want jugs. They’d want prospects/picks


"No way they give up a first for a rental" is a bit silly. Taylor Hall also required prospects and conditionals in addition to a first so that comparison doesn't really fit. And the reporting was that the Penguins weren't/aren't looking to make any trades until they see what the team looks like healthy.
Dec. 29, 2019 at 10:37 p.m.
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might have to add Samuel Poulin to the trade. sounds steep but it'll cost if you want the rangers to take back a contract for next season.
Dec. 29, 2019 at 11:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Chigurrhh
"No way they give up a first for a rental" is a bit silly. Taylor Hall also required prospects and conditionals in addition to a first so that comparison doesn't really fit. And the reporting was that the Penguins weren't/aren't looking to make any trades until they see what the team looks like healthy.


GMJR has stated he isn’t interested in giving up a 1st unless he gets a player with term back. He understands he needs to start restocking the cupboards. Also considering the way this teams injury luck has been this season, I doubt he wants to spend a 1st on a rental if there is such a good chance of the team not being healthy enough to take advantage of it.

Also Hall is a a much better player too. Hence the cost. On top of being 50% retained
Dec. 29, 2019 at 11:52 p.m.
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GMJR has stated he isn’t interested in giving up a 1st unless he gets a player with term back. He understands he needs to start restocking the cupboards. Also considering the way this teams injury luck has been this season, I doubt he wants to spend a 1st on a rental if there is such a good chance of the team not being healthy enough to take advantage of it.

Also Hall is a a much better player too. Hence the cost. On top of being 50% retained


JR has a history of saying he's not interesting in giving up a first only to turn around and do it.

Also, stocking the cupboards for what? A cup run when Sid is 37? It's win now time.
Dec. 29, 2019 at 11:57 p.m.
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JR has a history of saying he's not interesting in giving up a first only to turn around and do it.

Also, stocking the cupboards for what? A cup run when Sid is 37? It's win now time.


No to replace guys like Malkin, Letang, etc. they aren’t going to play forever. I wouldn’t doubt that this is Malkin dm’s last contract in the nhl. He’d be insane not to go back to Russia after this contract. Letang is too injury prone to get big contracts.
And no, GMJR doesn’t have a history of doing that because the core was in their prime. There was never any care or reason to save their first. It was actually expected that he go forward a big fish with his first. Now it’s all about bargain shopping. Hence Pearson, Gudbranson, Marino, Petterson, etc.
Dec. 30, 2019 at 12:08 a.m.
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No to replace guys like Malkin, Letang, etc. they aren’t going to play forever. I wouldn’t doubt that this is Malkin dm’s last contract in the nhl. He’d be insane not to go back to Russia after this contract. Letang is too injury prone to get big contracts.
And no, GMJR doesn’t have a history of doing that because the core was in their prime. There was never any care or reason to save their first. It was actually expected that he go forward a big fish with his first. Now it’s all about bargain shopping. Hence Pearson, Gudbranson, Marino, Petterson, etc.


You replace guys like that by tanking, not by drafting in the 20's. It's all or nothing. You can go bargain shopping for depth and secondary contributors. You don't get Malkins or Crosbys without tanking. And you don't compete for cups without guys like that.

What you are talking about is the nonsense Detroit went through in the last decade. It doesn't work.
Dec. 30, 2019 at 12:56 a.m.
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You replace guys like that by tanking, not by drafting in the 20's. It's all or nothing. You can go bargain shopping for depth and secondary contributors. You don't get Malkins or Crosbys without tanking. And you don't compete for cups without guys like that.

What you are talking about is the nonsense Detroit went through in the last decade. It doesn't work.


That’s total BS! Boston contends constantly and has only had 2 top 5 picks and 4 top 10 picks in the past 20 years and none of those top 10 picks were on the team long enough to be a major contributor to this contending they’ve done in this past 20 years. From 1992-2009 the red wings dynasty had 0 top 10 picks. So that’s absolute malarky. And even if what you said was any bit true, don’t you want to have the team basically built that you only need a year or 2 of tanking rather than tanking then spend another 5-7 years tanking to build your team?
Dec. 30, 2019 at 8:48 a.m.
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That’s total BS! Boston contends constantly and has only had 2 top 5 picks and 4 top 10 picks in the past 20 years and none of those top 10 picks were on the team long enough to be a major contributor to this contending they’ve done in this past 20 years. From 1992-2009 the red wings dynasty had 0 top 10 picks. So that’s absolute malarky. And even if what you said was any bit true, don’t you want to have the team basically built that you only need a year or 2 of tanking rather than tanking then spend another 5-7 years tanking to build your team?


Ah yes, the Boston model of landing Patrice Bergeron, Brad Marchand, and Zdeno Chara 15 years ago. That's been their core. They lucked into Pastrnak because because he was injured in his draft year.

This isn't repeatable. You're kidding yourself.
Dec. 30, 2019 at 9:00 a.m.
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Ah yes, the Boston model of landing Patrice Bergeron, Brad Marchand, and Zdeno Chara 15 years ago. That's been their core. They lucked into Pastrnak because because he was injured in his draft year.

This isn't repeatable. You're kidding yourself.


There are gems like that EVERY year. It’s called smart drafting. Clearly it’s capable. I mean Guentzel is a 3rd round pick, Hornqvist was the last pick in the draft. Free agency and trades have just as much to do with winning a cup. Look at St Louis. They didn’t win by tanking and getting a top draft pick. They won by drafting well late
Dec. 30, 2019 at 9:15 a.m.
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There are gems like that EVERY year. It’s called smart drafting. Clearly it’s capable. I mean Guentzel is a 3rd round pick, Hornqvist was the last pick in the draft. Free agency and trades have just as much to do with winning a cup. Look at St Louis. They didn’t win by tanking and getting a top draft pick. They won by drafting well late


"I mean Guentzel is a 3rd round pick, Hornqvist was the last pick in the draft. "

Great. You find one like that every few years. It's not a sustainable way to build the core of your team. You obviously need to draft well to build the full roster. But generally, speaking, the high skilled layers go at the top of the draft. Teams build around guys like McDavid, Eichel, Matthews.

Wow, St Louis won a cup. After a a decade plus of coming up short with the players they had.

Now many cups did Pittsburgh and Chicago win doing exactly what I'm talking about?
Dec. 30, 2019 at 6:26 p.m.
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"I mean Guentzel is a 3rd round pick, Hornqvist was the last pick in the draft. "

Great. You find one like that every few years. It's not a sustainable way to build the core of your team. You obviously need to draft well to build the full roster. But generally, speaking, the high skilled layers go at the top of the draft. Teams build around guys like McDavid, Eichel, Matthews.

Wow, St Louis won a cup. After a a decade plus of coming up short with the players they had.

Now many cups did Pittsburgh and Chicago win doing exactly what I'm talking about?


Yeah because you had a decade of Pittsburgh, Boston, Chicago, and La winning the cup.

There is a million factors that go into winning the cup. You don’t need to tank to get to contender status. Being good at drafting late helps you continue being dominant when other players get old.
And it’s not like one or even just a few every few years. The league isn’t just all top 5 picks
 
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