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Oilers fans need to learn to be patient

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Team: 2020-21 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 30, 2019
Published: Dec. 30, 2019
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Consider yourself lucky your team didn't trade for Hall. I'd rather have bouchard, samorukov, a 1st + 3rd + possible 1st over Hall for 50 games...

Holland is staying on track with his plan and that's smart. No GM in oilers history the past 20 years has ever been patient, look where that got them. Stick with the main prospects you have now, make a few small smart free agency decisions, and if a player is asking for absurd money, simply get rid of them unless they're a key asset.

Holland's main off season plan should be to sign most of the young players with RFA contracts coming up long term. If they don't want to sign for a reasonable amount, search the market for a 2nd line winger.

Benson has been putting up a PPG in the AHL for 2 years and hasn't been given an oppritunity in the AHL. Next (or this) year he should get a call up, or could even make the team out of camp. Would be a great addition to an otherwise barren bottom 6.

Khaira is slow, but young. He's a below replacement player, meaning he could be replaced by a player in free agency easily, for next to nothing.

There's a lot of up and coming D men on the oilers. If only a THIRD of what looks promising on the blue line right now work out, they'll be fine. BUT, they'll have to move one of benning or larsson to get bear and bouchard (who both deserve a roster spot) to fit.
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Dec. 30, 2019 at 6:58 p.m.
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I will 100% of the time take Benning over Timashov, in fact I bet Timashov gets waived in the next couple years. TWEENER
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Dec. 30, 2019 at 7:09 p.m.
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"oIlErS fAnS nEeD tO bE pAtIeNt"

No, this was the season - ESPECIALLY after the run they started the season on - for Holland to invest prospects (like Safin, Samorukov, Wells, and picks beyond this years' 1st rounder) in order to fuel a run with this roster. This team has missed the playoffs in what's looking to be the 13th time in 14 years. The only message this regime has effectively sent to McDavid is that they are incapable of icing a roster capable of contending and that there appears to be no panic or immediate desire to do so.

The fans are finally learning, and they've quit going to the games in droves. Once Katz gets that message and grows the balls to fire Bobby Nicks, there MIGHT be change.

"No GM in Oilers history has been patient"

Tambellini would like a word. The only time an Oilers GM was impatient (in recent memory) was when Chiarelli took Hall, the 2015 #16OA pick, and the #33OA pick and turned the trio of them into Adam Larsson. If this team needs to be in the playoffs at minimum to keep McDavid (and Draisaitl?) from wanting out, something needed to happen sooner. They cannot keep hoping to contend for a wildcard position. If Holland wanted to ice a winning roster right now, Benson - who you correctly identify as being successful in the AHL right now - should have been called up alongside Lagesson and Yamamoto. They'd be more than willing to move Puljujarvi and their upcoming draft capital - neither of which are going to help the team win now or within the next 2/3 seasons anyways - to be taking a genuine run at the Pacific division when it's never been weaker. A berth in the Western Conference Final was almost guaranteed up until Hall was traded to a divisional rival that's trending upward faster than Edmonton is. That's unacceptable for any manager, and it's insulting to the fanbase and the players here long-term to be that tone-deaf and out of touch with the league. The franchise - in terms of its personnel, players, and fanbase - needed to be in the playoffs this season. Any manager that unwilling to restructure his plan strictly because doing his job and winning the cup(???) is beyond the scope of building the team for 5 years down the road should NOT be a general manager in the NHL.

Based solely on the return for Hall, Edmonton likely could have kept Bouchard and Broberg in any deal. Samorukov - despite being a quality asset - is expendable. Klefbom, Nurse, and Broberg likely maintain the top-3 positions for LD in some capacity for the next decade. Even if they move Nurse, you only need a short-term top-4 option until Broberg assumes that role. Jones and Lagesson are fine prospects too.

Up to this point in his tenure as GM of the Oilers, I'd be very willingly deem Holland a failure, but not yet on the level Chiarelli was. Not drafting a top forward in 2019 with the #8OA, wasting money on non-NHL options for the bottom-six and backup positions, overpaying Chiasson (term specifically), and failing to improve his team by the New Year despite the utter lack of resistance the Oilers could have had to a playoff berth is just unacceptable for me and other fans.
Dec. 30, 2019 at 7:15 p.m.
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MTL will most likely get Halak before EDM does

If you don't sign Kassian, Brassard and trade someone you could easily get Holtby
Dec. 30, 2019 at 7:33 p.m.
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You know you are on borrowed time with McDavid if you just decide to be patient and waste another year of his career. this franchise cant afford to be patient
Dec. 30, 2019 at 7:36 p.m.
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You know you are on borrowed time with McDavid if you just decide to be patient and waste another year of his career. this franchise cant afford to be patient


Thinking like this is what is going to put the oilers out of business. Proves my point exactly.
Dec. 30, 2019 at 7:40 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
"oIlErS fAnS nEeD tO bE pAtIeNt"

No, this was the season - ESPECIALLY after the run they started the season on - for Holland to invest prospects (like Safin, Samorukov, Wells, and picks beyond this years' 1st rounder) in order to fuel a run with this roster. This team has missed the playoffs in what's looking to be the 13th time in 14 years. The only message this regime has effectively sent to McDavid is that they are incapable of icing a roster capable of contending and that there appears to be no panic or immediate desire to do so.

The fans are finally learning, and they've quit going to the games in droves. Once Katz gets that message and grows the balls to fire Bobby Nicks, there MIGHT be change.

"No GM in Oilers history has been patient"

Tambellini would like a word. The only time an Oilers GM was impatient (in recent memory) was when Chiarelli took Hall, the 2015 #16OA pick, and the #33OA pick and turned the trio of them into Adam Larsson. If this team needs to be in the playoffs at minimum to keep McDavid (and Draisaitl?) from wanting out, something needed to happen sooner. They cannot keep hoping to contend for a wildcard position. If Holland wanted to ice a winning roster right now, Benson - who you correctly identify as being successful in the AHL right now - should have been called up alongside Lagesson and Yamamoto. They'd be more than willing to move Puljujarvi and their upcoming draft capital - neither of which are going to help the team win now or within the next 2/3 seasons anyways - to be taking a genuine run at the Pacific division when it's never been weaker. A berth in the Western Conference Final was almost guaranteed up until Hall was traded to a divisional rival that's trending upward faster than Edmonton is. That's unacceptable for any manager, and it's insulting to the fanbase and the players here long-term to be that tone-deaf and out of touch with the league. The franchise - in terms of its personnel, players, and fanbase - needed to be in the playoffs this season. Any manager that unwilling to restructure his plan strictly because doing his job and winning the cup(???) is beyond the scope of building the team for 5 years down the road should NOT be a general manager in the NHL.

Based solely on the return for Hall, Edmonton likely could have kept Bouchard and Broberg in any deal. Samorukov - despite being a quality asset - is expendable. Klefbom, Nurse, and Broberg likely maintain the top-3 positions for LD in some capacity for the next decade. Even if they move Nurse, you only need a short-term top-4 option until Broberg assumes that role. Jones and Lagesson are fine prospects too.

Up to this point in his tenure as GM of the Oilers, I'd be very willingly deem Holland a failure, but not yet on the level Chiarelli was. Not drafting a top forward in 2019 with the #8OA, wasting money on non-NHL options for the bottom-six and backup positions, overpaying Chiasson (term specifically), and failing to improve his team by the New Year despite the utter lack of resistance the Oilers could have had to a playoff berth is just unacceptable for me and other fans.


Again, this proves my point exactly. Would you rather MAYBE have a chance at the playoffs next year, but sacrifice the future, or wait 2/3 years for kids to develop and turn this team into a contender from the inside? The oilers have never had this many good prospects. If they sit on them, they'll be fine. Let me remind you that the oilers arent a couple pieces away from the playoffs, they're a whole 3rd line, backup goalie, top 4 d man, 2nd line winger away from the playoffs. Most of these problems will be solved with the prospects we have RIGHT NOW, not to mention the amazing players we can get in this year's draft, and whatever we might get after that.
Dec. 30, 2019 at 7:42 p.m.
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Why on earth are you paying Kassian 3+ million. Here's the offer Kassian could see if he tests FA 1.5 x 2. That's it, that's all I'd offer Kassian and that's at FA, if I'm EDM I offer 1/2 mill above league minimum x 3
Dec. 30, 2019 at 7:44 p.m.
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Again, this proves my point exactly. Would you rather MAYBE have a chance at the playoffs next year, but sacrifice the future, or wait 2/3 years for kids to develop and turn this team into a contender from the inside? The oilers have never had this many good prospects. If they sit on them, they'll be fine. Let me remind you that the oilers arent a couple pieces away from the playoffs, they're a whole 3rd line, backup goalie, top 4 d man, 2nd line winger away from the playoffs. Most of these problems will be solved with the prospects we have RIGHT NOW, not to mention the amazing players we can get in this year's draft, and whatever we might get after that.


I literally just posted an AGM that solves the forwards up front issue and the two biggest assets I moved on from were Samorukov and this year's 2nd Round Pick.

I'm confused with Edmonton still somehow needing another top-4 defenceman. The group we have is sufficient - not sexy by any means - but again, the path to the WCF has never been clearer. That may change by the deadline, but as of right now there's no excuse as to why Edmonton should me trying to "settle" for something within the postal code of a wildcard berth. There's no fix to the goaltending this season, it's going to have to be a matter of the forwards pulling their heads from their asses and the systems in place holding the fort. Playing Smith less (read: like sit him until the next back-to-back in February) might solve some of those issues.
Dec. 30, 2019 at 7:45 p.m.
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Thinking like this is what is going to put the oilers out of business. Proves my point exactly.


its not my thoughts, its what has been mentioned by MSM guys in regards to McDavid. Its not a conspiracy theory, its a legit concern that has been voiced by McDavid already

"Appearing on Sportsnet 590 radio, Elliotte Friedman said that he believes that new general manager Ken Holland will get two years to prove to McDavid that the team is heading in the right direction. However, he also believes that McDavid is getting impatient with the organization"

Like I said you cant be patient wasting this year and hope next year works out. Its not working out now so he needs to start fixing it in season
Dec. 30, 2019 at 7:47 p.m.
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Thinking like this is what is going to put the oilers out of business. Proves my point exactly.


Playing like they have for the last decade is what will put them out of business. Here's the kicker the Oilers are not overflowing with top tier prospects or top end draft picks, they do not have any roster players that if they move doesn't leave a gapping hole. This team and fan base should absolutely not have patience but unfortunately have no choice but to be patient. And if I'm Oilers fan I am begging every god there is that McDavid and Leon have patience as well
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Dec. 30, 2019 at 7:55 p.m.
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Playing like they have for the last decade is what will put them out of business. Here's the kicker the Oilers are not overflowing with top tier prospects or top end draft picks, they do not have any roster players that if they move doesn't leave a gapping hole. This team and fan base should absolutely not have patience but unfortunately have no choice but to be patient. And if I'm Oilers fan I am begging every god there is that McDavid and Leon have patience as well


The cupboards are a little bare but they are at a crossroads situation. Do they spend the little good prospect assets they have to try to win now to prove things are on the right track with McDavid, I know it sounds crazy but what good is it to just sit on them and wait a few seasons if you might not have that length with McDavid wanting to stick around.

Never for the life of me understood why they wasted the pool party trade this season, hes not going to to help you anytime soon. Moving him for an asset that could impact this season probably was the smart money move in hindsight
Dec. 30, 2019 at 10:43 p.m.
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The cupboards are a little bare but they are at a crossroads situation. Do they spend the little good prospect assets they have to try to win now to prove things are on the right track with McDavid, I know it sounds crazy but what good is it to just sit on them and wait a few seasons if you might not have that length with McDavid wanting to stick around.

Never for the life of me understood why they wasted the pool party trade this season, hes not going to to help you anytime soon. Moving him for an asset that could impact this season probably was the smart money move in hindsight


Likely get much more for JP at the draft, also the cupboards are not a little bare. It's a top 10 prospect pool, with possibly the best defensive prospect system if you include bear+jones who are still rookies
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Dec. 30, 2019 at 10:50 p.m.
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Too much and too long for Shattenkirk (who isn't needed in the least), too much for Kassian and your trades are bad.
Dec. 31, 2019 at 12:05 a.m.
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Likely get much more for JP at the draft, also the cupboards are not a little bare. It's a top 10 prospect pool, with possibly the best defensive prospect system if you include bear+jones who are still rookies


There’s no stud prospect, there’s no savior coming. There are some talented prospects in the system but nothing is can’t miss lock talent and quite a few seasons away from finding out if it’s hype or not. And you can’t wait till then if McDavid is on the clock staying with the team. That’s what I mean by bare. A lot of decent nothing spectacular

And if you are including bear jones then avs are including makar to go with their stable of d prospects. And once you do that then you need to seriously re evaluate your claim
 
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