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Rielly plus for Jones

Created by: Trickster
Initial Creation Date: Dec 31, 2019
Published: Dec 31, 2019 at 8:04 pm
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Trying something different.

We can extend Andersen now.

Is this enough value to Columbus and LA??


Any better ideas for D partner for Jones then Schultz??
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Stotts, Riley4$900,000
Räsänen, Eemeli4$900,000
Koster, Mike3$900,000
Kokkonen, Mikko4$900,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Åberg, Pontus2$900,000
Brooks, Adam2$900,000
Engvall, Pierre2$900,000
Gauthier, Frédérik2$900,000
Kivihalme, Teemu2$900,000
Marchment, Mason2$900,000
Timashov, Dmytro2$900,000
Kaskisuo, Kasimir3$900,000
Mikheyev, Ilya1$1,250,000
Dermott, Travis2$2,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Schultz, Justin4$5,500,000
Fantenberg, Oscar1$900,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Jones, Seth
CBJ
  1. Rielly, Morgan
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
TOR
  1. Campbell, Jack
LAK
  1. Bracco, Jeremy [RFA Rights]
  2. Greenway, James [Reserve List]
  3. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
  4. 2021 5th round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$80,471,866$0$400,000$3,028,134
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,250,000
LW, RW
RFA
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 4
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$900,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$900,000
LW
RFA
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$900,000
C
RFA
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Schultz, Justin
$5,500,000
RD
UFA
CBJ
Jones, Seth
$5,400,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$2,000,000
LD
RFA
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2
LAK
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Brooks, Adam
$900,000
C
RFA
Fantenberg, Oscar
$900,000
LD
UFA

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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:04
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Hugh Hefner of CF
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@Sign_em_up000000

Would you do it????
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:04
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Reilly isn't moving
Dec 31, 2019 at 8:05
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Neither Columbus or Toronto are making that trade....
Dec 31, 2019 at 8:06
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Reilly isn't moving


Trying to be creative, answer the question regarding value please.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:06
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Neither Columbus or Toronto are making that trade....


This
Dec 31, 2019 at 8:07
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Don't see either team making this trade.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:11
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The value of the Rielly/Jones trade is fair imo. The Campbell trade I don't see happening. Is the value in that trade there? Yes.

Interesting UFA choices.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:14
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Quoting: oneX
The value of the Rielly/Jones trade is fair imo. The Campbell trade I don't see happening. Is the value in that trade there? Yes.

Interesting UFA choices.


Can you suggest another 1st pair D instead of Schultz?
I thought of Krug but dont have enough money for him as he will get 8 to 9, maybe even 9+.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:19
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Quoting: Trickster
Can you suggest another 1st pair D instead of Schultz?
I thought of Krug but dont have enough money for him as he will get 8 to 9, maybe even 9+.


There isn't alot of first pair D coming up as UFA that won't make big bucks. That's the stumbling block...giving one of the top pair guys 8-9+ million. Getting such a D means guarantee of losing Andersen as a UFA.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:31
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Quoting: oneX
The value of the Rielly/Jones trade is fair imo. The Campbell trade I don't see happening. Is the value in that trade there? Yes.

Interesting UFA choices.


Not even close. Rielly for Jones is much closer to a 1 for 1.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:38
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Not even close. Rielly for Jones is much closer to a 1 for 1.


We'll agree to disagree. Jones is an elite 2-way D and Rielly is an elite offensive D. I guess the extra players are in there because of that 2-way play.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:44
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Not even close. Rielly for Jones is much closer to a 1 for 1.


I'm sorry man but Rielly is good D man at best, Jones is elite.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:48
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Quoting: Trickster
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Would you do it????


Honestly, I'm on the fence and you know him much I love Jones. Would I make this trade....probably, would it make our team better....yes and no. Part of the reason I want Jones so much is because I want to see him and Rielly paired together and Johnsson drives play on his own and would be a bigger loss than most think IMO.

That being said, and taking emotion and bias out of the equation this would help us keep Andersen which is funny because I literally just had that thought and was contemplating doing a ACGM on it to see if leaf fans would rather have Rielly or Andersen. So, to sum up, yeah I'd probably pull the trigger on this but I would have to seriously consider it. It would probably help if Anderson came back as part of it even if we have to add a bit more.

Always coming out with the brain teasers... I love it!
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:48
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Think CBJ declines this, they already have their offensively very capable 1LHD in Werenski. Moving Jones would leave a big hole for their right side.

If this move were to happen though, I think Gustafsson as UFA could be an option to pair with Jones...
Dec 31, 2019 at 8:49
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Quoting: oneX
We'll agree to disagree. Jones is an elite 2-way D and Rielly is an elite offensive D. I guess the extra players are in there because of that 2-way play.


What about if we upgrade the 3rd to a 2nd and they throw in Anderson?
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:56
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Quoting: oneX
The value of the Rielly/Jones trade is fair imo. The Campbell trade I don't see happening. Is the value in that trade there? Yes.

Interesting UFA choices.


I'm not so sure about that, we are definitely giving up more value. Jones> Rielly but only because of his two-way play and not by much. Johnsson is a bigger loss than most think IMO, but it's not far off. As for Campbell... I'm not as high on him as a lot of people but he'd be an upgrade on what we currently have.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 8:58
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Not even close. Rielly for Jones is much closer to a 1 for 1.


What about if we upgraded the 3rd to a 2nd and they added Anderson?
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Dec 31, 2019 at 9:02
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Quoting: oneX
We'll agree to disagree. Jones is an elite 2-way D and Rielly is an elite offensive D. I guess the extra players are in there because of that 2-way play.


I think Rielly plays both ways. Maybe one way slightly better than the other but he is no slouch defensively. The myths of jones grow taller and taller every day.

Last I heard he was 12 feet tall and scored goals from the hotel room.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 9:04
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
What about if we upgraded the 3rd to a 2nd and they added Anderson?


What if we keep rielly and they keep jones? I think that is the obvious solution here. At least in cap friendly world.
Dec 31, 2019 at 9:10
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Quoting: Jamiepo
What if we keep rielly and they keep jones? I think that is the obvious solution here. At least in cap friendly world.


Fair enough, they already have Werenski so Jones is more valuable to them. But n terms of value do you think it's fair?
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Dec 31, 2019 at 9:26
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
What about if we upgrade the 3rd to a 2nd and they throw in Anderson?


Eh...I'd keep the trade as simple as possible. As soon as you start adding more players to a deal it gets complicated.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 9:29
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Have to agree with Jamiepo. Both are #1D, roughly the same age, same contract length, both drafted top 5. Rielly has a ton of value, not to mention leadership. It's not that he can't play defense, just that he doesn't do it all the time. Johnsson and a 3rd is more than the difference between the two. There would have to be a player coming back the other way.

My high risk preference for a pairing with Jones would be Sandin. Sandin and Keefe are a match made in heaven, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the kid taking steps. Then sign an undervalued defensive-minded LHD for the second/third pairing (e.g. Edmundson) who can play on the PK. Given that Schultz is right handed, he'd be best used on the other side anyway.
Dec 31, 2019 at 9:29
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This was about discussing value, yes I think i had the Leafs overpay a bit.

I dont believe this is trade that would happen in reality, but this is for fantasy and fun right??
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Dec 31, 2019 at 9:33
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
Honestly, I'm on the fence and you know him much I love Jones. Would I make this trade....probably, would it make our team better....yes and no. Part of the reason I want Jones so much is because I want to see him and Rielly paired together and Johnsson drives play on his own and would be a bigger loss than most think IMO.

That being said, and taking emotion and bias out of the equation this would help us keep Andersen which is funny because I literally just had that thought and was contemplating doing a ACGM on it to see if leaf fans would rather have Rielly or Andersen. So, to sum up, yeah I'd probably pull the trigger on this but I would have to seriously consider it. It would probably help if Anderson came back as part of it even if we have to add a bit more.

Always coming out with the brain teasers... I love it!


Isnt this fun?!?! cool awesome face
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Dec 31, 2019 at 9:53
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Quoting: Trickster
Isnt this fun?!?! cool awesome face


Heck yeah, I just wish so many people on here didn't take these ACGMs so seriously.
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