Chicago Fan's Perspective

I don't believe Saad is expected back for another 2 weeks, so I'm not sure any team would want to trade for him until he's playing again.

That being said, he has been playing well and is one of the bright spots on the team this year. Galchenyuk is having a down year (less points that Saad) and is an UFA after this season, whereas Saad has another season of control.

I think Pit would need to give up considerably more than a 3rd and a 5th to make this happen, since Galchenyuk is coming back just for cap purposes. If you want Saad but don't want to add $6 million in Salary Chicago would probably retain instead of taking back Galchenyuk

If those teams are making those trades, it is to get back picks, prospects and cap flexibility the following season. I think both clubs would be more willing to make those moves, including retaining cap, if you were to include high end prospects and higher picks. I don't see any of the players offered having enough value to make those picks enticing. Especially for a capped out team like NYR

NYR doesn't ave any want/need for Bjugstad. They'd more than likely retain salary on Kriedier for the remainder of the year (50%)

probably something like Nathan Légaré & a 2020 1st OR Samuel Poulin & a 2021 2nd. (that also being a trade made sooner than later)

Saad and Kreider will each receive a 1st in return. So I don't think it's realistic that Pittsburgh lands both of them.

100% agree. On other posts...People love to hate on Saad. He's been their 2nd best forward this year. With that said, I could see Stan making some version of a Saad/Galy trade. In Stan's mind he'd probbaly be thinking that he could "sell" to the fan base that he's getting another piece for this year in Galy and whatever prospects/picks PIT adds would "also" count as building for the future.

***EDIT*** Let's also not forget that Stan LOVES ex 1st rounders looking for a change of scenery. Not saying it's worked out in his favor, but he does make those trades.

Chicago needs to retain. Saad at $6M will hurt too much come July 1.

Saad being one of the "bright spots" in Chicago is not a positive on Saad, it just shows what a cluster Chicago is.

Saad's contract would arguably be the worst contract on Pittsburgh. In Chicago, it's arguably not even top-5 worst. Again, that is not a positive for Saad.

Shouldn't Bjustad be going to the Hawks and Galchenyuk to the Rangers, that seems like what would make more sense to me in these two trades proposed here, Pens need to add to get Saad though, 3rd and a 5th aren't enough value.

Horny's is the worst by far. 33 year old with another injury this year and production steadily decreasing. 3.5 more years of $5.3M...yikes! Then JJ. Guy should be sitting at home, but he's got 3.5 more years left. The cap hit of $3.25 isn't that bad, but he's not worth that. The Galy, then MAYBE Saad @ $6M. Saad's never been a stat stuffer...so I get how someone can just look at the box score and say he's not worth it.

The hardest part about the Saad contract discussion is that Stan traded Saad initially because $6M was too much for the Hawks to take. That cap's gone up since then making it easier to take. If the Hawks retained, then it's a whole different story.

Hornqvist's age and term hurts, but he does far FAR more than Saad for less cap.
Johnson is arguable, but he is half the hit, and not actually playing poorly. (welcome to the 2019-2020 season)
Galchenyuk is $1.1M less and a UFA
Bjugstad is probably the closest.

Saad is not a stat stuffer as you say, but he is also not physical/grinder nor really all that great defensively. So, he does a little of everything, but nothing very well. That kind of thing is used to describe 3rd liners. Overrated and $6M.
Even if, for argument sake, I give you second, maybe third worst... that is STILL SECOND WORST on the team. That would be something that happens on accident... not something that you purposely/knowingly trade for.

We're just going to have to disagree on Horny's production. His most common line mates are Crosby and Guentzel…. He's got 3 points since October. (Welcome to the 2019-2020 season) Saad spent the 1st half of his season with Kampf and Kubalik...and it was the Hawks best line too. Yeah Saad isn't a stat stuffer, but make no mistake that he is indeed physical. He doesn't go out of his way to hit people, but you can get those guys for $1M. He's the better kind of physical...the hard nose drive to the net power forward that create goals inside a scrap heap. Very different physicality than checking physical. PIT would be lucky to shed Galy in a Saad swap.

Agreed, as @mhockey91 stated earlier, Saad would fit great in Pittsburgh's system. A team that wins because of strong 200 foot wingers. Guerin, Dupuis, Kunitz, Rust, Sheary. Saad is a huge upgrade over Galchenyuk's, inconsistent, unmotivated, skill style of play.

I wanted Saad in Pittsburgh back in 2015 when rumours were swirling that pens were interested in him. Ultimately, saad went to Chicago, and Kessel went to Pittsburgh. not complaining there, but id love to bring in Hometown kid Brandon Saad. I'm thinking 30 goals, 30 assists is a reasonable expectation of performance if he was in pit. and good two way play as you mentioned.

You just proved that you are clueless.

Hornqvist has spent the last two seasons on the 3rd and even 4th lines, yet still keeps his ppg relatively steady. He doesn't have recent points because he was on IR. You are comparing Saad as a nonchecker physical by hard nose going to the net... compared to Hornqvist? Literally 0-for-3.

Hard nose going to the net vs what Hornqvist does. You should get a week suspension just for that foolishness alone.

Just following up on this. Both your "Hornqvist with Crosby" and your "Saad with Kampf and Kubalik" are completely wrong. Even strength time...

This year Saad has only spent 16.03% of time with Kampf and Kubalik. Hornqvist has been with Crosby and Guentzel 9.72% of his time. (just the specific combinations that you mentioned)

Last year Saad spent 45% of his time with Toews, 24% with Kane: 70% with either Toews or Kane. This year, 60% with Toews, 6% with Kane: 66% Toews or Kane
Last year Hornqvist was 14% with Crosby, 22% with Malkin: 36% with Crosby or Malkin. This year, 11% Crosby, 7% Malkin: 18% Crosby or Malkin
So last year Hornqvist spent half the time with a star as Saad did, this year just over a quarter.

So who benefits from their linemates? And as I mentioned above, even Saad himself would turn around and walk out of the room if you started comparing him to Hornqvist for anything around the net.

(Remember, I didn't start this comparison)

Hahaha! WOW. you 100% started this. Saying this....

REMEMBER. when random dumb thoughts pop in your head...you DON'T NEED TO PRESS SUBMIT!

But also you're stats are bad. It's true that the source I used Leftwinglock had Guentzel/Crosby has his SECOND most used. I was going off gut because the games i saw he was with Jake/Crosby. Source.....https://leftwinglock.com/players/index.php?p1=Patric%20Hornqvist&flag=y It does appear that source doesn't take it all into account. BUT whatever source you're using is crazy. Saad has only played 25:34 with Kane all year long. and i EVEN SAID.... "AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON he played with Kampf and Kubalik." Do you read at all? Saad was brought to Toews line because Saad was playing BETTER than Toews. Toews started out TERRIBLY. Toews is my favorite too, but atleast I'm honest about things.
https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=CHI&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2019-10-02&td=2020-04-04&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8476438&p2=8473604&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

You seem to think Horny's 15 points means something. Look at his linemates this year and how much better they are AWAY form Horny....

Jake actually plays BETTER.....AWAY from Horny.
https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=PIT&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2019-10-02&td=2020-04-04&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8477404&p2=8471887&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

Or how Kahun plays BETTER.....AWAY from Horny
https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=PIT&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2019-10-02&td=2020-04-04&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8471887&p2=8480946&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

Or how McCaan plays BETTER.....AWAY from Horny
https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=PIT&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2019-10-02&td=2020-04-04&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8477955&p2=8471887&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

You get the drift??? Get some knowledge and source up before you spout off random $hit.

I was referring to starting the comparison between Saad and Hornqvist. I guess that was too difficult a concept for you to grasp. But using your "logic" it was Arom5477 that started this by posting the AGM.

Ah, yes, specific %'s that show that your comment is completely wrong... is random $hit. Okay.

They don't play "better", they produce more shots. And since that is only one aspect of the game, and shots aren't points nor wins... maybe there is someone here that should get some knowledge.